Just saw 'Silverado' over the weekend and very angry that I hadn't seen it earlier in life because this was a very good Western in the 'Posse' and 'Good, Bad, and Ugly' mode that was just pure fun without taking itself too seriously. The reason I'm posting though is was I imagining it or were there real sparks between Kline's Paden and Hunt's Stella of the romantic nature? Stella seemed more of a better match for Paden than Arquette's character because she spoke his language of saloons and card games better than the farmer's wife. Stella would never be considered a ravishing beauty physically but her fire and compassion made her very lovely in my opinion and it would have been bold for Kasdan to get her and Paden together at the end.
I agree, generally. There were real sparks and I forsee more of a future betwenn Paden and Stella than between Paden and the farmer's widow. The widow was pretty clear she didn't see much of a future for Paden and her anyway. Of course, that could change, especially if she got lonelier through the years. The possible romantic triangle might have made an interesting sub-plot in a sequel, which I'm sorry never got made.
And I did find Linda Hunt oddly attractive in this movie.
Yeah, after watching this movie I'm very surprised a sequel was never made considering how well-known and regarded it is. It would have been a bold move if Kasdan had written a romance between Paden and Stella but as it is the movie on the whole was very enjoyable.
Remember the line Kevin Costner's character (Jake) says to Kevin Kline's character (Paden) while sitting around the campfire "Geez Paden, her old man ain't even cold yet".
I played Conrad to Rosanna Arquette's character (Hannah) so go ahead talk about him all you want to, he's dead anyway.
Enjoyed your brief time in the film. I feel this is one of Kasdan's best and definitely one of the best homage's to the old westerns that so many of us grew up with.
I'm so tired of the club scene... So are the baby seals.
You died too soon, Young Conrad. You died too soon.
In regards to Stella and Paden, I always presumed that they had a platonic type of relationship. It does look like Stella is making eyes at Paden on several occasions, but it always just seemed like Linda Hunt's mannerisms to me.
She's wonderful, and a shining star in this movie for sure, but I always presumed that their relationship was more of a deep respect... Paden respected her for being a creative and inventive businesswoman, and Stella respected him for his honesty and wisdom on the other side of the bar.
That isn't to say the Shadout Mapes wouldn't have been a fine companion, but it just never struck me that way.
Thanks so much for chiming in, Mr. Meyers. Your comments were appreciated!
I wish they could have spent more time developing the relationships once they got to Silverado. I'm under the impression that a decent amount of time passed while everyone got established in town and the Payden/Stella and Payden/Hannah relationships matured (and there even seemed to be some sparks between Hannah and Scott Glenn). The Danny Glover storyline seemed acute however, so perhaps only a few days did pass.
I honestly thought there was more of a chance of an Emmitt/Hannah pairing than a Paden/Hannah one. There were a couple of signs that hinted strongly that Hannah and Emmitt had feelings for one another.
The tone of the conversation at the party was definitely different from a casual chat. There was obvious emotion. And her last statement, "You know where I'll be", and more importantly the way she said it, seemed to be her way of subtly telling him that when he came back from California, she would still be there and open to pursuing a relationship.
Now, as for Paden and Stella, it is really hard to define their chemistry. It would be ridiculous to say there was no possibility of romantic feelings between the two. Having said that, it is still entirely possible that their chemistry was the chemistry of two people with similar interests, personalities, humor, and convictions. Great friendships between men and women happen quite a bit, and though there is sometimes an element of sexual tension, they can remain friends without ever really getting romantically involved.
I do love their connection, though. Truthfully, I could just watch a movie of the two of them conversing and be satisfied. They really are fascinating characters with a very wonderful chemistry. Kevin Kline & Linda Hunt play those parts beautifully.
I love how Lawrence Kasdan chose to cast Linda Hunt in the role instead of a token "Ms. Kitty" type of saloon owner.
It would be ridiculous to say there was no possibility of romantic feelings between the two.
No it wouldn't. Not every relationship between a man and a woman is defined by romance. It is possible for for men and women to have relationships based on genuine friendship and affection without the romance. To say otherwise is what would be ridiculous.
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I pretty much said that exact thing with the rest of my comment.
It is ridiculous to say there is no possibility of romantic feelings because we can't see into their minds. We don't know if Stella was attracted to Paden, or if in some way Paden was attracted to Stella's manner and charm. We can't know -- so to say that it is impossible is narrow-minded.
I agree that relationships between men and women do not have to be inherently romantic, or sexual. However, it is impossible for anyone to know what was going through Paden's and Stella's minds. We don't know what, internally, they felt for each other beyond their outwardly displayed friendship.
THAT is what I was saying -- not that they absolutely had to have romantic feelings for one another.
There's a chance for a romantic relationship, but I didn't read it that way at all. I saw the relationship between Stella and Paden as something more rare, and deeper: kindred spirits. Two like-minded souls who find each other by chance, and are immediately drawn to one another. These encounters grown into the deepest of friendships, and are rare even in romantic encounters.
To me, it would almost lessen their connection were they to become romantic. Soulmates are so much harder to find.
I actually saw Silverado the night it opened in 1985; I was just out of high school, and we went to the movies just about every weekend. It was a big deal because the western genre was considered just about dead. I remember coming out of the theater thinking it was awesome. I've seen it several times since(It's on right now in fact), and it is still a fun movie.
Secondly, Kevin Cline and Linda Hunt are both fantastic actors, so the chemistry between them just made them both that much better. It would have been interesting if they had expanded on that relationship, and I would have loved to have seen a sequel.
I imagine that the role of Stella was written for a conventionally pretty actress who was supposed to have standard romantic sparks with Paden. When they cast Linda Hunt, it definitely changed the vibe of the relationship. I guess the filmmakers liked the ambiguity.
The Kline-Hunt pairing was one of the most memorable parts of the film. I also see it as a meeting of mind and spirit without the encumbrance of a romance. But as you said, it was possibly originally written for a more conventionally attractive actress. Given the time period, I can imagine Kathleen Turner in the role, and that would have changed the chemistry considerably.
Kevin Kline was kind of a weakling, and Linda Hunt was a stronger character. I can see them pairing up, even though she does seem to be somewhat older than he is.
Kevin Kline was kind of a weakling, and Linda Hunt was a stronger character. I can see them pairing up, even though she does seem to be somewhat older than he is.
I for one sure am glad they didn't have any kind of romantic scenes between them as it was not needed and they just seemed to be good friends as they both had similar likes and respect for each other. I liked the way it turned out