We have 5 kids: A jock A popular hot girl A bad boy A nerd A quiet girl
Jock ends up with quiet girl. Bad boy ends up with popular hot girl. Nerd gets nobody.
I think it would have been better if jock ended up with popular hot girl. Nerd ended up with quiet girl. Bad boy gets nothing...we all have our issues (like the other 4 also had) but it doesn't entitle you to be a jerk to everyone else.
The pairings, I thought were sports on. Each ended up with their antithesis.
Andy got too much attention from his parents; Allison not enough.
John was always punished and never rewarded; Clair was always rewarded and never punished.
Brian received acceptance from the group when asked to write the essay on the other's behalf. He was truly proud of himself without his efforts being graded.
There was a kiss for each individual. Even Brian kissed his paper.
Some interesting opinions here. Why did any of them need to pair off?
Especially John and Claire, who he made cry and sob "I hate you!" Then she ends up with him, rewarding bad behavior? Piss someone off to tears and they are attracted to you? To me this sent the wrong message, but then again these are kids who don't know what they really want yet.
It was perfectly okay for the pop-queen to go with the bad boy. However the crazy girl was supposed to go with the nerd. Actually when she stole his wallet and then confessed it and said she knows his birthday and ssn and so on, I took it as a plot-cheat that she is about to get the nerd, so I was surprised in the end she went with the sporty.
Bender is not a criminal, nor is he really a bad boy. I actually find that amusing, I mean what did he do to get detention? He pulled a fire alarm...wow. I mean Claire got detention for skipping school, are you telling me that Bender has never skipped class before? If so, he should be in detention everyday.
Stereotypes don't really help us understand a person.
Bender is a physically abused person, that's at the heart of everything his character says and does. Both Judd Nelson and John Hughes really capture that for us.
For the record, I don't think Bender is a bully, nor is he particularly a bully to Brian. He treats everyone the same, whereas bullies like to pick targets (usually the weaker ones). Who is the person Bender chooses to sit next to? It's Brian. Because he likely relates to Brian more than any of them. Brian is an outcast much like himself.
What I think he finds difficult is relating to people like Brian, Andy, and Claire. He doesn't understand what it's like to come from a loving home with a support system at home. Sure Brian and Andy's parents may not be perfect, they may be overly pushy, but they do love their children. All of Bender's hostility towards them is based on this. Just watch the scene where he imitates his own family after Brian's, his voice is dripping with resentment and pain.
He resents people like Brian and Andy for having what he does not.
I kind of relate to that aspect of Bender because growing up I certainly felt it. Although I always had a quiet temperament.
I do think it makes sense that Claire would be attracted to a guy like Bender. (Didn't think Molly Ringwald had chemistry with either Hall or Estevez)
I think Brian ends up winning at the end of it, we all kind of realize this. He's the one with the real future. When he finds the girl that's for him, likely an intelligent college girl, he'll have the whole deal whereas these two characters will have memories of high school flings.
I think what Brian needed more than anything was validation. He tried to kill himself
I think Andy and Claire were too much alike, it would have been like brother and sister dating each other.
Not all popular girls date jocks and not all jocks date popular girls. I'm not sure where this even came from, typically the jocks dated the cheerleaders. Claire is just rich and likes trendy things.
I do think Brian and Allison would have made a cute couple though, much better than Andy and Allison. In fact, I didn't really care for this story line. I liked having Allison open up to Andy, but having Allison change her looks to attract him just felt off. He was attracted to Allison because she was just a little bit off.
Bad boy gets nothing...we all have our issues (like the other 4 also had) but it doesn't entitle you to be a jerk to everyone else.
Ok, there are more ways to be an asshle than just smarting off to people. Is this really so lost on people?
What makes Bender more of a jerk than anyone else in that room?? Let's look at the facts:
Andy viciously attacked a younger, weaker kid for no reason with no provocation whatsoever. Even though Bender is a smart ass, I can't see him ever doing this.
Claire is a snob who would talk sht about people she deems less "worthy" of her.
Allison didn't even talk to a single person until half way through the movie. What is she better than everyone there? She manipulates them with lies and twists their words around.
I think the only decent person in the room was Brian. But that kid has his own issues, he's a push over and an abuse magnet. Not a real shocker that someone would tease him, seriously stand up for yourself kid!
Andy and Claire basically ignored everyone in that room when they came in. Did they even acknowledge brian or Allison? Both Brian and Allison thought Bender was beneath them (as did Andy and Claire). Do you remember the conversation where they were discussing whether any of them were friends on Monday? Allison says, "With all of us or just John." As if John Bender were somehow on the outside and the weakest link in the group.
In fact, the only person who came into that room with the concept that should be equal to each other was Bender himself. (Which is why he starts tearing them down in the first place).
I prefer people like John Bender to people like Claire or Andy. At least he's honest and he'll argue face to face.
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I've never been wild about Allison changing her look and suddenly Andy is interested in her. I think it could have been improved if it had been handled a little differently.
But one part of it I really like is that it's Clair that gives her the makeover. It seems very true to life that the "hot" girl who is into makeup would would want to give her a makeover, and it seems like something a frumpy girl would consent to doing when stuck in a place with nothing else to do.
I've never been wild about Allison changing her look and suddenly Andy is interested in her. I think it could have been improved if it had been handled a little differently.
True. That was the only thing I found slightly irritating.
But one part of it I really like is that it's Clair that gives her the makeover. It seems very true to life that the "hot" girl who is into makeup would would want to give her a makeover, and it seems like something a frumpy girl would consent to doing when stuck in a place with nothing else to do.
You know, I've actually been rethinking the whole scene. I don't think the scene was about Claire trying to change Allison. I think it was more about the two of them bonding. It's really the only scene where the two of them are alone together in the film. Claire is just trying to do something nice in the only way she knows.
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True, I actually liked the scene because it isn't really about giving Allison a makeover. It's just two girls bonding with each other. Obviously girls don't just "do each other's make up" and talk about fashion, but that's the best we're going to get.
I think Bender (bad boy) and Claire (popular girl) being together actually makes sense. I thought it was quite clear throughout the film that Claire found Bender and his antics quite attractive, and was conflicted by his attitude towards her. At the same time, the way Bender treated her seemed like he was lashing out from frustration that her start in life (specifically her parents) had been so much better than his, and he resented her for that. I think she saw that in the end, came to understand a lot about his character. This is why when she approaches him at the end he doesn't push her away at all, and when he asks why she kissed him she replies "because I know you wouldn't have". In other words, "I know that in this isolated space with no-one else around, you wouldn't take advantage or be mean, because that's for them not you". It also works for her as a means of rebellion, basically to 'get back at her parents'.
However, I think that Alison (quiet girl) should have ended up with Brian (nerd) rather than Andrew (jock). They seemed to have far more of a connection, especially when talking about friends (specifically loyalty). Even though she was all kinds of crazy, she was obviously talented (the drawing) in an unconventional way (the dandruff!). I think she just needed someone to understand her, and Brian would be more than capable of that, and being more accepting of her quirks. Also she is so care-free, which would appeal to his highly pressured life, and he is sensible and would adore her, appealing to her as she craves attention.
The only part of this film that really didn't appeal to me was Alison's makeover and pairing up with Andrew. He accepts her for her looks and nothing else, and she accepts that... it's so pathetic! She is worth so much more as who she was, though maybe sadly that's kind of the point, having to 'conform' or be lonely...
PS: This is what part of the alphabet would look like if the letters Q and R were eliminated.