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Good film but I don’t really like it


It’s clearly a thoughtful and highly creative work, I’m glad it exists and that it’s well regarded, but I find it tough to connect with the characters and the story.

Take 1984 - that film has a credible dystopian future, a protagonist one can empathise with, and a story of consequence.

Brazil feels like a massive rip-off (even though Gilliam claims he hadn’t read/seen 1984) except the world is comically absurd so the menace doesn’t really come through, and Pryce’s Sam Lowry is really goofy.

Kim Griest’s Jill is the most human character, but why? Sadly we didn’t see too much of her because Gilliam apparently didn’t like her performance and cut a load of her scenes. I think some more background of her and other ‘rebels’ would have given some more sanity to the film, which would then contrast with all the absurd insanity of the wider society.

The action scenes are not particularly well filmed and they tend to drag, in fact the whole film lacks pacing and narrative momentum, and at nearly 2.5 hours you really feel it.

It’s a film I always have fond memories of, but when I actually watch it I remember why I only end up screening it once a decade. Critics clearly loved it but I suspect that’s because it’s heavily anti-consumerist and because it has a brave downbeat ending, which Gilliam had to fight for.

Celebrating this film meant you were championing artistic expression over studio greed, it was the trendy thing to do but meant they forgot to critique the film, and as a result Brazil has a rather inflated reputation, I find.


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My exact thoughts, I have more but I feel like it would take too long to explain.

But yes, it's a brilliant film in some regards but really disconcerting and disjointed in others. It feels like an H.P Lovecraft story insofar that nothing really seems to be coherently palatable. Everything is wistful like a nightmare, only wearing a guise that pretends to be real... but only in the most absurd way imaginable.

For instance, the scene where Robert Deniro's character is swept away by all the newspaper, it's absurd. I haven't seen the film in quite some time, but it's not one I have any desire to return to as well. Once felt like enough. It was unsettling without a balance of having a more sane character to follow other than Jill, who -- as you mentioned -- wasn't in the film for very much.

Unlike Gilliam's The Adventures of Baron Munchausen, there's no one really grounded enough to root for in Brazil, and unlike 1984, The Fortress, The Giver, THX 1184, Logan's Run, We Happy Few, or Equilibrium, it's not "realistic" enough to feel for the characters due to a lack of sensibility within that society. Other dystopian films/media/books usually try to make you want to root for the character to escape or break the system, but it was difficult to do either when you weren't really sure where the protagonist could escape to or what part of the system could be dismantled.

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Comparing it to Twelve Monkeys is quite revealing, I find. That film is full of shots of Bruce Willis’ face trying to process the world he’s in, or realistic reactions from Madeline Stowe - a psychiatrist kidnapped by a mental patient who turns out to be right. Psychologically and emotionally we identify with the characters and go on a journey with them.

Brazil has occasional moments of that but it just drowns in the sheer camp. It’s like Gilliam is still making Monty Python sketches and hasn’t yet learned the foundations of narrative cinema.

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Oh that's a brilliant comparison, and I was trying to think of something similar but Twelve Monkeys is perfect.

It's an odd and bizarre film as well, and it's not something I'm keen on rewatching often, but Bruce Willis perfectly manages to encapsulate someone who is time-disoriented and has a hard time figuring out what's in his head and what's happening in the real world.

The audience is right along there beside him, confused and befuddled about what's tangible and what's not; what they can trust and what they can't.

That's the sort of grounded-in-the-story example I was looking for, which you nailed perfectly.

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i watched this at a perfect time in my life, when I was sick of my mundane job, looking for a better life --- I TOTALLY related to the lead character and what he was going through, the hero fantasy, getting the girl, corporate oppression of life... it resounded well to me, I GOT it, and its still one of my favorite movies.

its like a dystopian office space

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Agreed.

Highly creative, but just too weird for me to watch more than a few times.

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I love the visuals and the rest of it. Haven't watched it in a long time, but I'd like to again.

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You should revisit it, but I bet you your memory of it is better than it is, and that you’ll find those 2.5 hours quite a slog. Good luck…

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I don't know. Could be that I have different taste than you. I might still find it as good as I remember it to be.

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Well how’s about you go watch it then come back here and report on your findings..?

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I'll do so when I feel like it, thank you.

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You’ll do it now.

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