I love the score
I know people will disagree, but I really like the music in this film. The opening theme and the music during the various fight scenes are awesome. Anybody else like the music?
shareI know people will disagree, but I really like the music in this film. The opening theme and the music during the various fight scenes are awesome. Anybody else like the music?
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Absolutely agree.
The music during Joe vs. Jackson is awesome, and it takes me back to my childhood every time I listen to it.
The music was pretty good in number 2 as well. Number 4, though totally off, also had some pretty cool music.
I like to pretend 3 and 5 don't exist.
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The 'ninja training sequence' music sounds an awfully lot like "Ninja III:Domination" end credits soundtrack. There are differences though, but if one listens to the instruments, the drums and the bass sequence, the similarities are quite striking.
I wonder if it was the same composer or something..
It was taken from the same score. Cannon Pictures frequently re-used scores from their other films. When Joe jumps off the roof of the warehouse (after he's ambushed in there and locked in), the theme from Missing in Action is playing.
In other films, they reused other scores (Number One With a Bullet reused the score from Avenging Force, for example).
Yeah that is true some of the music is re-used from previous cannon pictures. However the way it's re-used and re-edited into this move, its just fits seamlessly, like it was composed specifically for the scene.
Like the Ninja compound training scene you mentioned, the music hits every beat and pulse of the scene as if the composer made the music specifically for the energetic flow of the scene.
I have also noticed that the same sequence of music is used for 3 pivotal action scenes in the film:
1. Ninja trap in the garage.
2. Black Star Ninja attack on Joe in the prison.
3. Final showdown scene between Joe and Ortega's Ninjas/The Black star Ninja.
It's difficult to asses if those scenes were actually edited to the music track, as opposed to the music being edited to the video, because if you notice, the music hits all the beats and queues in the scenes, however it is the exact same music!
I wish Mark Hartley interviewed the post-production sound team from American Ninja on the upcoming Cannon documentary.
If you look at the post production credits of the film, the video editing department has around 10 people, the sound editing department has around 25 people!
I know all these people do different jobs however it's still interesting to note how many people actually contributed to the sound design/music editing of this film.
I wonder if there is any other independent film out there which re-uses the same musical sequence 3 times during pivotal scenes in the film, and makes it work so effectively.
Gotta love it :-)
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I like the tension score that plays in certain scenes. It's played when
-Joe climbs the truck at the beginning, with the hook
-Joe puts the bucket on his head when fighting Jackson
-Joe and Black Star face off in the pond
I also wish we'd have gotten an interview with the sound crew. Unfortunately, Michael Linn, who scored the movie, isn't alive anymore. I'd love to have gotten to hear him talk about working on this movie. His music is seared into my brain from childhood.
Indeed, the tension part that you mention syncs up perfectly in everyone of those scenes. It's almost as if they wrote the beats of the scenes to the music, 3 separate times, haha.
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You have no idea how good it makes me feel to find someone who is as much of as fan of this classic as I am.
shareOne of my fave scores. Love the sounds. Main theme being the section I listen to the most. Love when the synth bass kicks in. But the trumpets! lordy lordy...
I assume some ppl here have the cd or downloaded the cd that covers a few of the american ninjas. I never cared for any but number 1...which has a 23.10 medley of a range of sounds from the first movie.
You didn't like 2's score? I thought that, while different in tone, George S Clinton did a very good job with it (he did a very good job with Cannon's other Dudikoff-James pairing, Avenging Force, as well).
shareFor me, Clinton's score for 2: The Confrontation did throw me off, at first. It's energetic, and I did dig his score for Avenging Force, but I missed the American Ninja theme. To me, it stood out like the Indiana Jones theme. Imagine if Temple of Doom didn't have Indy's classic theme. Obviously, Indy's theme is iconic, and Michael Linn's score for this Cannon B-movie, not really considered so, but it's iconic to me. With Dudikoff talking of another American Ninja, I imagine how cool it would be to have that title, maybe "American Ninja Returns", hit screen with a reprise of that great America Ninja theme.
shareHey man, it's iconic for me as well, but Ninja 2 took on a more comical tone (especially in comparison to the first one), with all the jokes by Jackson and the jokey bar fight and what not, so it wasn't such a big deal. If they had to change the score, I'm glad they went with Clinton.
Do you have any news on the Ninja remake? I want it to be true, but I just can't see it happening. I'm also worried they're going to butcher it, like they're doing with the new RoboCop movie.
No new news on the American Ninja sequel. Just that stuff we heard from Michael when he was in Germany. I really want it to be true, too, but I'm also having trouble seeing it happening. He said another "Avenging Force" was in the works, too, and it seems extremely doubtful that that's going to happen.
shareI don't want either to be ruined, but movies suck nowadays anyway, so I'd be down to see what they can do with them. Menahem Golan should come back to the US and fund the movies. It's only right.
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Aye. I especially love the score in the sequel. My friends and i would regularly recreate the fighting choreography of the first two flicks while playing the soundtrack in the background. Memoooooories, like the corners of my mind...
I have this fight scene imbedded in mind thanks to our shenanigans
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ow877mIffZI
Also, who can forget this fun and campy bar fight scene?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg7sLtGf9II&feature=kp
Seconded.
shareOh yeah...fair point in regards to 2's score. A novelty to hear Clintons take on a score. Somewhat reminds me of Jimmy Page doing Death Wish 2 or Brian May doing...was it A nightmare on Elm Street 6. So as said, despite losing that iconic theme music...it can still be appreciated for what it is...an exercise in creativity. I will say I have not listened to part 2 in isolation - but now you bring it up - I really should! Thanks ;)
shareCheesy and badass at the same time.
shareYeah one of my fave scores haha. The greats, Goldsmith, North, Morricone, Hermann...and Linn.
LOVE the horns...which go so crazy high at points. Shrill.
PLUS near the intro bit when the score first starts to gain - one throbbing midi/synth bass line comes in...and just hits the spot.
Kinda wish a full soundtrack was available...(not that pithy AN combo cd)
Might have to rip a bunch of the audio to get the whole score, WITH some of that lovely cheesy dialogue of course ;)
Linn is a master composer. To segue from the redundant electronic stingers and mandolin hooey, to the shampoo commercial riffs he uses for Joe and Patricia's date, is true skill. But the main theme is so damn engaging in that overly melodramatic fashion for such a cornball movie. That it's taking itself so seriously is a charm.
shareThe score becomes more mesmerizing with age.
shareHow about the instrumentation used in the warehouse where Joe is trying to make his getaway from the black star ninja and that dark synthesizer kicks in when Joe is creeping through the top vent of the warehouse. It sounds absolutely amazing and so captivating. Linn goes through a *beep* load of different motifs during this sequence which just keep on building and building but hardly resolve till the next scene. Such great scoring - there should be a 150 page book written on the scoring of this film. It's just so creatively brilliant. You can hear the Bernard Herman inspiration through it, however since it's based in 1985, it has that mid 80's synth element to it that just transcends the score to another dimension altogether.
The most amazing thing about the score, in my opinion, is that it's completely timeless. I've been re-watching this film sporadically every 3 or 4 years since 1991 and it has blown me away every time. It's only a matter of time before someone approaches it from a scholarly perspective and provides a thorough dissertation on it. The reality is, this score will be just as powerful 20 years from now as it is today and was 27 years ago, it is because it's not only a period score, but also a timeless score inspired by the creativity and ingenuity of the golden age of cinema greats such a Bernard Herman (Citizen Kane). One day, my friends, the genius of this score will be known and acknowledged and the future generations will be able to fully appreciate it from a scholarly perspective. It could even be referenced in schools and composition classes. The fact is that Linn jumps in out out of eastern music with his motifs whilst also using period instrumentation along with intellectual referencing with the military motifs whilst at the same time incorporating thrilling bass and percussive grooves . It just blows me away every time I hear the score along with the film. Sheer brilliance.
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Most of the score collectors would give you a countless movies , where certain score/ost exceeds the movie itself. Or somehow, regardless of the movie, tends to create memorable results.
With AN1 and AN2 this seems to work in both ways for pleasure. In AM1, there are a few places where horns and brass are bordering with ‘out of tune’ cheesiness. But, such bold arrangements were common in action movies of 80’s. And I mean that more in a way of compliment. But unique to 80’s - well, for most of the movies from that period - is the way they tend to be thematic, even in smallest of incidental cues, even with shortest scenes from A.Ninja; constant thematic presence is evident.
So even an "average" observer soon starts to perceive this type of signature. Omit the main theme that only suffers from excessive brass treatment, there is nothing to dislike with direction of score. It paints the scenes with constant motif presence and is very likable. In fact, it is more prolific then even some A movies form this decade. There are a few short, but very special melodic cues from AM1, also, I love the end arrangements in AM2 as well.
I feel that score of AM1 has aged rather well ;)
by - arctanx on Mon Oct 13 2008 18:14:39 I know people will disagree, but I really like the music in this film. The opening theme and the music during the various fight scenes are awesome. Anybody else like the music?
Yes, very well put, for example, the cue that is used when we see the black star ninja for the first time. It's very light but also very mysterious - we're not exactly sure what is going on. It then slowly builds into something that is very dark and threatening, and this is particularly emphasized when the camera inter-cuts to the piercing eyes of the black star ninja as he is onlooking the hijacking going wrong.
It's just one of the unique and clever theatrical sequences that feature in this amazing film. I'm still baffled how this is not out on a special edition DVD that is packed with features and interviews by everyone ranging from production designer to the actors to the producers. The fact that this film was shot for just 1 million and it looks and sounds the way it does, it just blows my mind that it still remains to be un-acknowledged on DVD. It's a lesson in effective budgeting alone.
The score I think makes the film better than it actually is. I was analyzing the scene where Joe is fighting ninjas in the large garage compound, and I realized the scene works predominantly because of the music. There's just so much energy ,momentum, mystery, uncertainty and build up in the way Linn crafts the tension and suspense. His choice of instrumentation as well, is genius.
Pay particular attention to the segment where Joe is sneaking out from around a corner (after throwing ninjas through a bunch of windows), and there's a ninja above him swinging a chain. Linn builds the tension, with what sounds like to me, is just 1 bass guitar but he's using antecedent and consequent phrasing to build the tension. It just sounds so quick but natural and then he has 2 or 3 instruments embellishing the rhythm by constantly jumping in and out and accenting the parts at just the right time.
Again, I'm baffled as to why there aren't scholarly dissertations written on this score. It's simply an example of how brilliant music can totally enrich and immerse a relatively low budget production and turn it into something timeless. Don't get me wrong, Firsterberg's direction in this scene is pretty good to begin with, but the music just takes to a whole other dimension.
I do. It's a rousing score.
What do you think this is, a signature? It's a way of life!
Agreed. Michael Linn's spirited score really hit the stirring spot something sweet.
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