In the end, when Reese puts dynamite in the gas truck; the terminator is seen jumping out of it and falling to the ground. If a Terminator relies solely on its metal endoskeleton, why would it take so long to restart? It would just keep trucking after getting out of the truck, probably land on both its legs and continue towards Sarah. Fire would not stop it.
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In-Universe explanation could be that the intensity of the fire's heat forces the system to reboot, or that the Terminator knew the skin had been so badly damaged, that it was letting it burn free, so that it could move freely?
Out-of-Universe? It was done for dramatic effect.
You know, now that I think about that scene, there was a huge explosion at first and of course with an explosion that big, it could have caused the terminator to reboot. It is just so counter intuitive that a machine that is meant to kill at all costs would be stopped literally by its burning skin. I mean this thing is trying to kill you and it risks losing that much more time unnecessarily when it has to "wait" for something to happen or care for any of its needs.
For instance, from the time it had been run over by the truck, the Terminator starts limping on one of its legs. Now it could very well sit back for a while, fix its leg and then pursue Reese and Sarah; however, it just does what a terminator does, continues to pursue them.
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Like I said, dramatic effect, no other plausible reason.
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Re: Why would a terminator be stopped by being set on fire?
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by bandslam-36534
» 5 days ago (Thu Oct 13 2016 11:39:56)
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Well, a big explosion also creates a pressure wave which does quite a lot of damage. It's not just the heat.
shareEven after the Terminator gets up from the explosion?
Maybe it rattled the marbles a bit, however, I still think it would not have delayed if it saw Sarah from the flames.
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"Rattling the marbles a bit" would the the key word here. In T3:ROTM the T-800 recovers from a damage after fighting the T-X by rebooting and rerouting power. During that time he is incapacitated. It's feasible that the explosion caused similar situation in T1.
Then again, inconsistencies like this are very, very common in sci-fi movies so I would not get too hung up on them :)
But he was clearly not decapitated. In the movie, we see that everything is attached.
Now it would make sense that a shockwave could have disrupted transmission of information within it, like a shockwave could caused a computer to static, however, there is no proof of that really happening. Was this scene more described about in the book?
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I think you're getting EMP and shockwave mixed up. A shockwave can do a lot of internal damage even if all the body parts stay attached. It is highly unlikely that each and every component of the Terminator's body is a tough as the "skeleton".
Look more into the principles how blast waves work, I'm sure you'll understand what I'm talking about.
So the blast wave was so bad that the initial allowed him to get back up from the explosion, jump out of the truck, and then collapse once more?
Interesting.
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Would there be a technical explanation you'd be happy with?
Everybody understands that scenes like this are written for dramatic effect, so insisting a very specific technical description for it is a bit, well, autistic. Even more so, since we're talking about a piece of fictional technology.
But hey, what the hell...I'll take the challenge and give it chance once more :)
We know that T-800 has a primary and secondary power source. Maybe the explosion damaged the primary power source allowing the Terminator just enough power to get out of the truck before falling down. Then the Terminator took a moment to reroute power and reboot, which we know takes a moment.
Does this theory satisfy you? If not, I suggest you go flip the light switch 17 times :D
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I was hoping there was something said about it in the novel.
I mean these are great assumptions; but I mean, for something futuristic to be rattled by an explosion caused by a gas truck, seems really corny. I mean this terminator is way advanced for the time period it is in and if it was able to get up after the explosion and then just fall again...O_o
I could understand if it was for dramatic effect though; although, it would be more horrific if it just continued in pursuit without being phased. Of course, this is what we get in the 2nd movie when the gas truck explodes and you see the T-1000 coming out of it in its default Caprisun form. lol
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No, it's not that corny. It just seems so, because you clearly do not understand explosions or mechanics AND are applying a huge amount of assumptions about Terminator technology based on nothing more than your imagination.
Even though Terminators are shown to be very resilient to damage, they are not indestructible. Basically every single piece of the Terminator franchise is built around the same tactic to fight against the Terminator; throw everything you got towards it and sooner or later something will damage it.
PS: I find it comical that in a movie with time-travel spheres, laser cannons and whatnot, THIS is the thing that bugs you so much :D
Well I would find time-travel spheres, laser cannons, and what not kind of out of place, however, I am seeking reality in a movie that may not necessarily display that. Before I can address those, I find that this one scene could be more realistic or have reasons of making it more realistic.
They are not indestructible, however, a machine that advanced would have some amount of shock absorbing attachments or something. I mean if these things are made to kill, why would they be made so flimsy that they are not always on the pursuit? The T-1000 shows a more realistic expectation of a model I would come to terms with. Something blows up and it is delayed for even less time, until it forms a liquid default form and it comes after the targets.
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a machine that advanced would have some amount of shock absorbing attachments or something.
I mean if these things are made to kill, why would they be made so flimsy that they are not always on the pursuit?
Well Reese did say that there were older models that were easily to spot and probably a lot more easier to take out. It would only make more sense that these models, T-800, were improved on. If, in the future, it takes a laser to take them out; an explosion of a gas truck would probably not cause enough damage for the thing to collapse after getting up. I mean that, in itself, is just comedic. Then again, of course it is a movie and so the director and writers are going to allow room for suspense. From someone that looks at details, it does not make much sense.
I mean look at the end of the first movie. Reece puts a dynamite right in the abdomen portion of the skeleton and it blows the whole thing up. Within seconds, MUCH sooner than the truck scene; it is able to get back up and follow Sarah.
Of course one could say that the gas truck's explosion was "x" times more larger, however, the ending scene would be the sort of pursuit I would want to see. These things are infiltrators and in the future, from what was shown, they keep coming at you. The initial explosion would probably delay it for a few seconds, but nothing more than the second initial collapse and then like 3 minutes of delay time. I mean "Come on!"
To put it another way, these things are even sturdier than the T-1000. They hardly ever get blown back when shot at and probably more dense than a T-X. The tear gas bullet that hits the T-x's frame and send it flying into the tombstone, proves this. The second movie shows the T-800 being hit with the same tear gas gun or similar and it just bounces off.
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You know what? *beep* it, I give up.
The whole Terminator franchise is so ridiculously inconsistent with the Terminator's durability to begin with, that this obsessive bitching over one scene is so damn stupid and autistic that it boggles the mind.
And trust me, it has nothing to do with your attention to details. It's about you being a dumbass and me being an idiot for arguing with you for so long.
Just. Let. It. Go.
Well you did respond to my thread about it. I would have "let it go" in your perspective because I never would have responded. If you do not have an acceptable answer, I am going to keep questioning it. The fact is that the Terminator should not have collapsed after jumping out of the truck.
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Dude, I hope you are trolling. But if you do, you are quite amazing! I'm serious, you are a pleasant troll.
shareAlso didn’t they say that the model that Arnold is was designed for infiltrating human bases by using its humanlike appearance? So maybe it was designed with more of that in mind rather than just purely being as indestructible as possible. I would imagine that they have heavier duty models made for purely combat, with survivability as more of focus, that would better be able to withstand a massive explosion feet away from it without needing 15 seconds to get back to its feet. And who knows, maybe a freak piece of shrapnel damaged a power source/conduit and required a reboot to reroute power (as was previously mentioned). Also, it was shown that a small pipe bomb was able to blow its entire body in half, so a gas truck exploding while he’s sitting in the cabin seems reasonable to cause enough damage to require it to temporarily shutdown. Maybe the heat was so intense that it had to enter some different self preservation mode to protect its computer systems, then once the heat dropped low enough it was able to boot up again.
shareI saw the movie in the theater, and a guy I knew criticized it by saying that it couldn't survive because "its circuits would be fried"
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The Terminator would be able to survive because if I remember correctly, the circuits are lined with metal sheaths. In the third movie, you can clearly see this. Even in the original Terminator, you can see wiring from the neck down to the abdomen. I would be betting that the alloy it is made from is resistant to that kind of heat.
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Wow you're over thinking a scene that clearly was made for dramatic purpose. The terminator is flimsy? It took multiple gunshots, burned to death, crashed into a wall at high speed, turned into road kill by the fully loaded tanker truck, blown in half by a pipe bomb and finally got crushed in a hydraulic press.
How much more proof do you need about the T-800 being very tough? I would've preferred if the machine kept approaching them while burning it's flesh off but then the movie would've ended right there. What other logic are you trying to induce into this topic?
Flimsy for what it is meant for.
If it can withstand crashing at high speed, getting ran over, and blown by a pipe bomb; it should have been able to be in pursuit with its flesh being burned off.
Well, that's the thing. It is suggested that it was for dramatic effect, but logically, it does not make sense.
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Neither does the fact it ran off after it crashed into the wall during the police car chase. Logically the movie would have been over.
shareYou know? I may just have to come to terms with that. I really hate to do it, but sometimes I think some of the scenarios are just so NOT logical. It's almost like if the logic is clearly not there, then let it go (like your Terminator running off scene); however, the face burning off scene, it seems to be harder to get away with. It's almost like pulling off a bad joke to make it seem funny.
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Do you know how easily computers, CPUs, GPUs and such processors overheat?
Do you know why there is a cooler on your PC's CPU (if you have a PC these days, when everyone uses 'smartphones' and similar flat craptech)?
The Terminator has 6502 CPU (if I remember correctly), and that can overheat very easily.
With this in mind, you can easily understand why it would do that.
It could be a pre-programmed directive, that if the whole thing is badly on fire, it will take a precautionary step to shut down to prevent damage to the CPU, and only rise back up after the temperature is more suitable.
This is actually what exists in modern PCs already, they tend to shut down before they can overheat, but overheating can still happen.
Even if the CPU can take it, heat is never good for any computer components, and of course if you take heat expansion and such factors into account, and that if it were to be suddenly cooled down too rapidly, it could become brittle, and a terminating machine cannot risk that.
It is programmed to terminate, but its self-preservation and retaining functionality comes first. It's no use if it just lets itself be destroyed by fire or any other things - it has to be able to 'survive' long enough to complete its mission.
Also, the burning skin might have hampered its already impaired vision - think of the surgical procedure it had to do to remove the skin so it could see with its both eyes earlier in the movie. The burning skin would certainly cause a similar problem, so it should let the skin burn off so it can see again.
Since it's already a bit damaged and slightly less mobile, perhaps it decides that the fire is a good opportunity to discard this wasteful weight that's hampering its movements, so it can move faster and more fluidly and thus increase the probability of success.
So if it lets the fire go on, it will be faster, lighter, more mobile, and it can actually see much better.
If it puts the fire out (by rolling on the ground, for example), it will have to do another surgical procedure to even see, let alone walk properly (or as properly as it can) - all this flesh is useless at this point, when it knows where its target is, and doesn't have to blend in anymore.
So if it went to look for a place where it can perform this operation, it would have to start searching for its target all over again.
You have to strike the iron when it's hot, so to say. No pun intended.
Therefore, it decides to let the fire burn everything off, so it can continue the pursue quicker, PLUS, faking death may fool its target, so it won't suspect anything, which buys it some time (if the target thinks the terminator is terminated, the terminator can freely let the fire burn the skin, flesh and clothes off, so it can see and move better to then proceed to terminate the target).
That's why it makes the decision to not try to put out the fire, but let it burn. But to make sure it won't be harmed by this process, it will shut itself down for a moment, so it can reboot and its CPU is safe from overheating.
Any more questions?
What _I_ would like to know, is why it 'disappears' when the police arrive. It can take care of a whole friggin' police station with over 30 cops, why would it be so scared of a few police cars and a handful of cops, when its target is RIGHT THERE, maybe 5 meters away? Makes no sense.
It overheated and got a red screen of death.
shareIf the fire is hot enough, circuits and mechanical parts would melt.
shareThe Terminator wouldn't be stopped by the fire but it could be stopped by the sheer force of the explosion.
shareIt might not stop it but it could hinder it and a terminator walking around without his own skin is kind of easy to spot. It's not a solution but a stop gap measure. The shotgun Reese was using earlier in the movie wasn't going to stop it either but it did prevent the terminator for doing more damage and killing Sarah.
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