There was a scene ,when this film was screened on tv once,where the scientist is replaying the death of that lady who died of a heart attack and you get to see her plunge downward untile you see what looks to be Hell.Let's just say it wasn't a pretty sight.It was revolting in fact but I wanted to see it again so I rented it on video.It had been edited out so I assume it must have been deemed as too upsetting by the distributor.I can understand that!It was really sickly in the extreme.I can only recall mutilated moaning people writhing among each other and obviously suffering in torment.you only see this very briefly but it was effective.Then you, the viewer rise out of here and head into outer space.It was like she had to view hell before she could get to Heaven.Maybe this was to emphasise to this woman's spirit that she was one of the fortunate ones who gets to go to Heaven. I can't see how the computer can record this if the body of the woman is dead though.This is her soul seeing this and souls are unrecordable.
Here's a excerpt from an article in Cinefantastique magazine, Volume 14, Number 2:
Audiences hardly have time to recover from the expansive vista of the memory bubbles when the scene abruptly switches to the blindingly fast "high-tech fall through," in which a jumbled mass of objects from Lillian's memories slide down an endless tunnel of images from the film. One of the images on the "wall" of the "tunnel" is a seemingly endless stream of the Burroughs-Welcome building, streaking along the sides of the frame. A classic example of the multi-plane technique, the image was created by placing repeated exposures of a model of the lab building beside each other on the same frame, their sides pre-aligned so that there are no gaps and the building appears very long. This process is repeated numerous times with the camera dollying past the model, and the film advanced slightly for each pass. Other images multi-planed in the high-tech fall through were the blue, sawtoothed foam walls of the acoustics lab and the hourglass-shaped company logo endlessly repeated. The high-tech fall through was originally to be followed by another nightmarish image, called “condo hell," which MGM included in the television ads, although it is not in the film. "Most of the 'hell' sequences got cut out of the film," said Don Baker. "They were just too strong. Not only did they jeopardize the tone of the film, but also the film's PG rating." The Condo Hell image featured rows of weird, constantly changing faces inside vibrating helmets, slowly gliding toward the camera, set against an angular, architectural background. The faces are members of the film's cast and crew and their friends. "Peggy Weil photographed four frames of each face, registering them so the eyes always lined up," said Baker. "The eyes always stayed centered but the faces changed every four frames. We projected the faces into a rear-projection screen inside an aircraft helmet, then multi-planed all these helmets, creating rows and rows going back to infinity'." Bob Hickson, of EEG's art department, rendered the perspective background illustration, utilizing shapes from the Burroughs-Welcome building. "About 3 by 4 feet," said John Wash. "They managed to shoot the 60 to 70 helmets with shakiness built in, matted over the background, which was given a corresponding shakiness." "Cancer Hell," another segment of the hell sequence, is only barely glimpsed. Its gruesome, starkly realistic images of entrails and gore, inspired by the work of the Grofs at Esalen, nevertheless makes a strong visceral impression. Before it was filmed, the shot was reworked according to Trumbull's instructions. Originally it was intended to be a graceful journey through the human body. That concept wasn't working, so Trumbull decided to attempt something visceral and shocking. For the shot, referred to as the "guts" scene, the EEG model shop built table-top sized landscapes and body parts. Stewart dubbed the models "maxitures," because they were built larger than full scale so the camera would be better able to photograph them. The models were "decorated" with hundreds of pounds of animal parts from rendering companies. The "maxitures" were built for master shots to open and close the sequence, but were never filmed. The few frames of the sequence now seen in the film were supposed to be close-up inserts of contorted faces of people who appear to be caught in a webbing of entrails and body parts, crying out as if to be released. Made up with gashes, bullet holes and technicolor bruises, members of the crew and their family and friends were pressed into service as "tortured souls," with postproduction supervisor Bob Hippard getting the screen credit as the "screaming man."
When I saw your post, I remembered reading this and thought I'd share it...
"The Condo Hell image featured rows of weird, constantly changing faces inside vibrating helmets, slowly gliding toward the camera, set against an angular, architectural background."
This intrigued me - it's mentioned in the trivia - and there's a tiny glimpse of it in the theatrical trailer at about 2:25-ish. Sandwiched between a shot of a tape drive blowing up and Christopher Walken looking spaced-out. It's only a second or so long. I have no idea how it was supposed to gel with the narrative (it doesn't look very hellish).
It looks like something from a computer game. I wonder if they kept the original footage?
I know this is late coming but I just rediscovered this thread I started over a year ago. I didn't expect it to grow so much. I'd like to thank Mencken59 in particular (two posts up)for that amazing article detailing the hell sequence. This board can be a wealth of hard to get information.Thank you all.
Lillian didn't have cancer she had a bad heart. The footage of souls in torment was purgatory, Lillian went there before going to heaven. This is a Catholic view of the afterlife, though no mention is made of Lillian being Catholic. I am not sure if the church the funeral is in a Catholic church or if the minister who officates the service and who she is seen talking to about salvation in the flashbacks in her memory bubbles is Catholic or not. The tape runs out, and Mike is so far into the tape he starts going to heaven as well, caught up in the experience but Karen calls him back. He has made the ultimate trip. Now, is Douglas Trumbull or Messina or Rubin or Stitzel practicing Catholics? that's the question. My alltime favorite movie, as you can tell..
My mother's aunt, I guess my great aunt, back in Norway agreed to be part of an experiment. She was terminally ill and on her death bed. A special bed was used with a very sensitive scale. At the precise moment of death her weight went down by 6 ounces! Was it a soul? Her spirit? Kind of gives you food for thought......
"The wages of sin are death, but by the time taxes are taken out, it's just sort of a tired feeling." ~Paula Poundstone
That's interesting ,though I thought the soul was supposed to be intangible.That is,not physical.Were the results published in an official journal? I am sure everyone would have been interested to know about that experiment.
I'm not sure of the details, other than my mother told me about it. It may be apocryphal as it was probably about 70 years ago. At the time it may have been scoffed at and ridiculed. There might be a paper in Norway about it, buried in a University archive or somewhere.
I mentioned it here because my mother saw the special bed and her mother told her what it was all about. Years later when she was older her mother told her about the experiment. Unfortunately everyone who knew the story is now dead themselves!
I mention it also because it sounds amazing. I did read that there are unusual electrical patterns and some people swear they can smell an electrical smell, an ozone at the moment of someones death. Funny though how anyone I've read or heard about having a "near death" experience always has the nice fuzzy white light at the end of a tunnel. I've never heard of them talk of Hell. Have you?
I just thought one of my new favorite "Hell" glimpes. One is the "Go to Hell dark shadows" vs. the "Tunnel of Lightness" from Ghost. It really kinda freaked me out. Imagine hearing those moans and groans after you die?
If you've seen "Constantine" then you probably like that version of Hell glimpse. THAT looked VERY nasty! Like a evil Salvador Dali painting! All those souls being tortured by those half skulled demons! *shiver*
"I intend to live forever. So far, so good." ~Steven Wright
here's a funny one i saw on the Simpsons. Homer was tied down while a torturer kept feeding him endless doughnuts. Homer grows into a blimp but just keeps on wanting more!The guy stuffing them into him becomes baffled as he recalls how another guy went insane at that point while Homer keeps lapping it up!
"I've never heard of them talk of Hell. Have you?"
thought i'd finally jump in on this thread since i read through the many pages anyway.
to answer your question there have been reports of near death experiences of hell. to be exact, out of the "reported" 30 million people supposed to have experience near death, 90% reported the white light and suprisingly, the other 10 reported a hell like experience. of course the only sighting of this information i can give you is that i got this information from a discovery channel special that i watched, but still, the numbers are interesting!
Huh, I've never heard that before RX. Interesting. It seems all you ever hear or see is the good ol' tunnel of light and being met by loved ones. If the vast majority have that above vision of Heaven, what do the 10% see? What is the prevalent vison of Hell? Are they all consistant?
“Either we are alone or we are not; either way is mind-boggling.” ~Lee Dubridge (US physicist)
Well the film itself doesn't deal with such nasty details of real-world physics or even theoretical theological physics, etc. I think that the end point was much more an attempt to show a man's quest being fulfilled...as opposed to an actual physical representation of what might really happen if we could 'record' the afterlife. :-)