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'Nobody said this was going to be fun...at least nobody said it me.'


Smartest character in the WHOLE damn movie!

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In one sense, Richard is clearly meant to be the square, the stick-in-the-mud, the guy who represents the attitude of the Boomers' parents that they were reacting against in college and through the Summer of Love. Plus it certainly is rather impolite Richard to opine on why Alex killed himself, especially among Alex's friends, when he didn't know Alex at all.

That being said, Richard's speech at the kitchen table is valuable, and makes a good point. The Boomer generation has been, I think, fairly criticized for overreacting to their parents, for taking things too far, for focusing too much on themselves and their own wants and desires. Richard's speech is a gentle reminder that attitude, taken too far, can't and doesn't work in the real world, that we all have unavoidable obligations and we just have to find ways to make peace with that. College (if you were doing it right) was a blast, but it can't last.

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that we all have unavoidable obligations and we just have to find ways to make peace with that.


Says who? Sorry, but I chose not to have children, went to college for an education not to party or rebel, chose a profession I cared about and am still living my life without infringing on the rights of others. The only "unavoidable obligations" I have are to pay taxes and die.

"So often times it happens that we live our lives in chains, and we never even know we have the key." The Eagles.




"You're so analytical! Sometimes you just have to let art... flow... over you." The Big Chill

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I suppose it is possible to live one's life with no obligations, but then again that suggests a life without a career, a family, or even close friends.

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Not really. I had a great career and am now retired. I have good friends, and we care about one another, help one another within our ability to do so, but it is not an UNAVOIDABLE OBLIGATION. I chose not to have children to stop the cycle of extreme dysfunction that existed in my family and in my late husband's family. You assume that family is a good thing - not always.

UNAVOIDABLE OBLIGATIONS implies no choice and something you don't want to do. I made choices that were best for me. I didn't let someone take away my choices once I became an adult; my choices were not my own as a child.

I will go back to my original point and repeat that the sad thing about Richard is that he never examined or questioned what he did with his life. Then he made judgments about another man, who he had never known, and the choices that man made.



"You're so analytical! Sometimes you just have to let art... flow... over you." The Big Chill

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I will go back to my original point and repeat that the sad thing about Richard is that he never examined or questioned what he did with his life.


I have to humbly disagree. It IS a choice to give up your choices - and it isn't always an easy one. I think his speech proves that he knows exactly what he gave up when he signed on to be a husband,a father, and a provider. He realizes that he has obligations even though he KNOWS that means "it wasn't going to be fun."

It all depends on your priorities and whether you put others above yourself. Currently, I am taking care of my mother with dementia. My choices were to put her in a nursing home and get on with my own life and dreams.... or take care of her and settle for a "content" life. I have what I "need" in life so, I am okay with that. So, in reality the "choice-less" lifestyle I have currently is a result of the choice that I made. It was (is) my decision. She took care of me I choose to take care of her.

Is it "Fun" for me? No, but as the song says, "You can't always get what you want (edit) but you get what you need."

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Clearly, you and I had different childhood experiences.


"You're so analytical! Sometimes you just have to let art... flow... over you." The Big Chill

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I will go back to my original point and repeat that the sad thing about Richard is that he never examined or questioned what he did with his life.


I disagree. I think Richard HAD examined his life, and pretty closely too. What he discovered is that he had made a commitment to his family, and even though it wasn't "fun," he would live with that choice because others depended on him. I like to imagine that, once the boys were grown, Richard left Karen and went to pursue his dream of being a surfboard-maker in Bali. He did well there, married a lovely island woman, and had three delightful children, who all grew up to be champion surfers.


Then he made judgments about another man, who he had never known, and the choices that man made.


Now that's a different point--I think what he says about Alex is more part of him examining his own life and trying to make sense of how another's life might have gone--with even a bit of envy there, perhaps.

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I thought Richard's kitchen scene was really an underrated part of the film. He expressed how life is for a lot of people; we'd all like to do things we want to do but sometimes you have put them aside and take responsibility for work, family, etc. And he was right in that Alex maybe couldn't deal with that reality.

Alas, he wasn't one of the group and thus was an outsider; and in a way exposed a bit of snobbery by the group (the way Nick sort of brushed him off when introduced by Karen, Nick and Sam appearing offended by Richard's comments in the kitchen).

It's possible they were afraid of Richard because he represented the old "establishment" values that went against their 60's philosophy; it's also possible his words hit home with them and they realized that he was right and that thought disturbed them.

Yet Richard just by that scene showed that in fact he was something of a thinker; when asked why he was up so late, he mentioned how he enjoyed it because it provided him with the peace and quiet that was rare in his married-job-kids-wife world.

It's always bothered me that he seemed to be portrayed as a bit of an antagonist, but perhaps it wasn't meant to be that way.

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Nick and Sam appearing offended by Richard's comments in the kitchen


I never got the impression that Nick and Sam were offended--I thought Richard made them think. It's interesting how people can find different things in a scene.

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I always felt as though they were just "off balance" by his presence. They had just been talking about him and suddenly he was THERE. They seemed to be waiting for him to show any indication that he had heard any of their conversation. I also got the impression they were surprised he was talking to them at all.

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Well, Nick sighed pretty audibly when Richard started talking about Alex.

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I could go both ways on Richard's philosophy. He has valid points that could be dismissed, taken to the nth degree, and explored. He struck me as old school and a bit of a tool, but one who knew what he had to do to survive and provide for his family. Part of it was likely where and how he was raised. But he also knew and in my opinion took to heart that life does not always go the way we want it to, as he clearly states. It is and should be about compromise and finding middle ground as much as possible. That is what I took away from his speech. Feel free to counter or disagree with me.

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I hadn't watched this in years. But now I have to agree with you. Richard was a very smart character and his monologue in the kitchen was the best part of the movie as I rewatched it. And Least annoying character too, for sure lol.

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That is such a powerful line and I think about it often.

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I think the movie sets out a few characters to represent generations. The main characters are boomers. Their lives didn't seem to follow a predetermined path as even they can't understand how such 'revolutionaries' could go on to make so much money ( Sam and Harold) or Nick who dislikes authority, takes drugs and still hasn't really grown up from the sixties.

As others have pointed out, Chloe is a Gen Xer who doesn't seem to have their sentimentality and deep friendship bonds.

Richard IMO is the from the Silent Generation or a baby boomer that followed a corporate path removed from the radical sixties lifestyle. As a grounded executive who works for a living, he knows life requires dedicated, hard work and it not 'being easy'. He also is part of the corporate patriarchy where there are ' aholes' at work to bow down too but you try and minimize that.

Alex giving up , he finds incomprehensible because when you have a family and a mortgage it simply isnt an option and he later concedes he cant speak for him.

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movie: here's a character who is clearly more miserable and dead inside than any of the others

people: "I love him!"

I got the impression he didn't like anyone, including his children, his wife, and himself.

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