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'Nobody said this was going to be fun...at least nobody said it me.'


Smartest character in the WHOLE damn movie!

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maybe not the smartest, but certainly the wisest and most experienced

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"I can't believe these are the people you've been talking about all these years. They're nothing like I pictured them. Not one!" - Also a good line from a movie loaded with good lines.




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And... "I wonder how you describe me to them..." followed by a fairly-unattractive couple of snorts, all of which is meant to make us dislike Richard. I wonder why some of you seem to be such a Richard fan -- he is not meant to be empathetic, at all. Kind of a cold fish. Not a bad guy; just... not really a good guy, either.

Coulson has a plan.

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Speaking as someone who spent half his childhood living in Detroit and the other half in the suburbs(oakland County to be specific)in the 1970's and 80's, I found Richard's(Don Galloway) character to be typical of Oakland County culture during that era. He was a well to do, financially successful advertising executive with a trophy wife(Jobeth Williams) who married him merely for the money and social status, not love. But he was a control freak who masked his insecurity about being in a situation where he's the outsider instead of being the one at the center of attention(Because of his affluent executive position surrounded by ass kissing employees) by being arrogant, snide and very petty. As a young man in his teens and twenties, I used to encounter people like him all the time. Despite being the wealthiest people in the economically devastated economy that Michigan had at the time(Which to me was like being the smartest kid in Special Education), they were never satisfied. Money, image, ego were all that mattered to them. People like Richard were only nice to those above them who could advance their goals(Higher ranking executives or people richer than them) while treating those beneath them(Minimum wage, service industry employees-Waitstaff at Restaurants, cashiers at retail stores) with contempt. I can't count the number of times, while I was in my twenties and going to college) where the service I offered despite my best efforts was never good enough and I was told,"No wonder you make minimum wage. You obviously don't have any drive or ambition to succeed or you wouldn't be stuck here doing menial labor for the rest of your life."
Funny thing is, when Mitt Romney ran for president in 2008 and 2012, I chuckled every time I saw him on tv. It was like he was channeling Richard.

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I know...right!!'

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Richard represented someone who wasn't hung up on himself, and had to work to survive and didn't question everything, like most boomers. I think he was a fantastic character. Most movies wouldn't have a character like Richard have a scene where he made sense like that. So you have to give the writers credit for allowing this character, who usually would be a cliche, uptight one-dimensional jerk, to have a great moment to shine. He didn't just walk onto the set and go against the neurotic cast. He was written for a reason.

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Good point!

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I agree. The 'gang' seemed to all be uncertain about their present lives, - and future happiness...whether it was triggered by Alex's sudden death or they always had insecure feelings ... but Richard had realized, or decided to be happy with the life he had - because "no one told him it was going to be fun" so he's making the most of what he's been given. if that even makes sense lol..

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I just watched this again and was struck by how impressed I was by Richard. When the movie cam out, he was the fuddy duddy--now I see him as one of the brave who just keeps on keeping on.

I hope Karen learned to appreciate him.

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Richard is meant to be both staid, and uncomprehending. Not a bad guy. Just... not really a good guy, either. He shows so little empathy with his wife, and her past -- so little understanding, and so little desire for understanding -- I can totally sympathize with her, although she is far from a likable character herself. In a way, the two of them deserve each other. Ironic, huh.

Coulson has a plan.

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You grew up, as we all do!

I've watched it several times from age of 33 to now at 65. Slightly different interpretation each viewing. Should I live to be 85 and watch it again What will I think of those "Greedy young whippersnappers"?

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I just watched this again and was struck by how impressed I was by Richard. When the movie came out, he was the fuddy duddy--now I see him as one of the brave who just keeps on keeping on.


I had totally forgotten about this whole scene in the movie until I recently re-watched. I suddenly found myself crying during that speech.

I had remembered Richard as a "throw away" character just to show that Karen was stuck in a loveless marriage to show that she "deserved" more. That one small scene shows so much. Makes me wonder if Richard isn't the one that deserved more.

He definitely proved he was the brave one: Alex took the easy way out; Richard is brave enough to stay on for the ones he loves.

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I wouldn't say Alex took the "easy way out" -- it is a great deal of pain that leads someone to suicide. But I think you are right that Richard is brave--he had dreams, probably, just as we all do, and his life isn't a picnic. He knows his wife doesn't love him with great passion, but he's just going to keep on because that is what a brave person does. He signed on to be a good provider and he is going to stick with that bargain.

BTW--thanks for fixing the typo in my original post, lol!

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I'm sure it seemed that way to people with a superficial understanding of why people commit suicide.
The character was meant to reflect that ignorance that a lot of people have. I'm glad you are so happy to demonstrate Kasdan's point.

"World needs bad men. We keep the other bad men from the door"

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He was from a different world. Not sure how smart he was, but yes, he was more emotionally mature than the others. Wiser in some ways; some might just say, less aware.

Coulson has a plan.

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Richard is meant to be both staid, and uncomprehending. Not a bad guy. Just... not really a good guy, either. He shows so little empathy with his wife, and her past -- so little understanding, and so little desire for understanding -- I can totally sympathize with her, although she is far from a likable character herself. In a way, the two of them deserve each other. Ironic, huh.


Richard irritated me; he never questioned what he did with his life. I agree; so little desire for understanding. To just dismiss the complex feelings that the other two men - who actually knew Alex - with such a blanket statement.

But Karen irritated me too; to seduce a friend, who obviously cared for her and took her pass as a genuine feeling, just to alleviate some boredom with Richard, was pretty cold. Tom Berenger's character had it confirmed; he couldn't trust anyone, in Hollywood, or in his group of friends. That was sad.



"You're so analytical! Sometimes you just have to let art... flow... over you." The Big Chill


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But Karen irritated me too; to seduce a friend, who obviously cared for her and took her pass as a genuine feeling, just to alleviate some boredom with Richard, was pretty cold. Tom Berenger's character had it confirmed; he couldn't trust anyone, in Hollywood, or in his group of friends. That was sad.


Is that how you interpreted that? I didn't think that was a seduction at all. She was desperate for the romance she felt was lacking in her life, and thought she could find it with this guy from her past. He had admitted to her that he wouldn't make a good mate. He wasn't looking for trust--he wanted Karen to know he'd be up for a fling but nothing permanent.

When they did have sex, I think both of them knew right then it was just a fun fling because they had already worked out where they were in their lives.

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Hmmm, if memory serves, there was a line of Tom Berenger's where he said something along the lines of "This will be great, once you and Richard are divorced, you and the kids can come out to California, live in my house..."

When Karen was packing the next morning while he watched, his expression was deflated as she spoke about him getting her and her family into the studio, that Richard would like that.


"You're so analytical! Sometimes you just have to let art... flow... over you." The Big Chill

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Right after he talks about moving them out to California, he then goes on to explain why that wouldn't work--because he got bored with his marriage.

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Yeah, smart enough to leave his beautiful wife at a house over the weekend with with her famous actor ex boyfriend.

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Smart enough to know that if she doesn't want to be with him, he doesn't want to be with her.

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But...she didn't want him because she wasn't attracted to him anymore. He then pretends he doesn't want her because he's bitter about it. Different types of unwant. Dude was a hater. Thought he had himself a young trophy wife.

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People give bits and pieces of "advice" like this all the time - presumably because it makes sense to them - but for smeone like Alex, who was suffering, this is some of the most useless discussion, if advice is the intent, anyone can give or receive. If you see Ruchard as sympathetic because of this, I can't imagine this film speaks to you at all.

A number of the characters have made questionable career choices, at least based on the values they held in the sixties - gossip columnist, lawyer who detests her clients, television action star - and Karen marrying a man whose values would seem opposite to hers is just another example of a bad decision made by the main characters.

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