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SPOILER!!! I think everyone is missing something


I have read several posts on this movie and I must say that I haven't seen a single one who isn't misinformed about the identity of the Ripper. Contrary to popular belief, it is NOT the guy with the sick little sister as everyone would seem to believe due to a long explanation sequence....no, this is mainly missed due to its subtlety (in a Fulci film?!?)in comparison to the more overt explanation. The fact of the matter is that the professor is truly the Ripper. The duck voice is simply another tool used by him to misdirect the police (and the audience) so that he can get away with the horrible crimes he has committed.
Think about it: there is a scene which has no other relevance to the script but to reveal this....when the professor is playing chess or checkers or whatever with the computer, he says to it, "You think in fixed patterns. Just like a cop." Why else would he say this? Granted he's arrogant, but does the duck voice not also continually mock the detective's intelligence? Soon after, the final confrontation and explanation are presented, and once again....the very last shot of the film is a freeze on the professor as he walks away from the detective....why else would it end this way? Fulci is telling us that the Ripper has just duped the police and got away scot-free. I must say that due to these smart twists and the subtlety in their presentation (not to mention the most brutal gore to be found in Fulci's entire canon) this is my hands-down favorite of his films....excellent example of the giallo as well...
I'm sure many won't believe me, but watch it again....it's fairly obvious.

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This is completely absurd. You're all taking this waaaaaaaaaaaaay too seriously. This director has a cult following, and his loyal fans are seeing 'things that aren't there'.

What you guys are mistaking for an intensely, intricately-woven, intentionally-ambiguous plot is really just a confused, convoluted mess of a film.

You're all forgetting that these are exploitation films. They're made on a budget to cash in on a quick buck. And quite often the director is at the mercy of the studio or a host of other people in order to churn these films out.

Fulci didn't even write this himself. He was PART of the writing credits. Gianfranco Clerici, Lucio Fulci, Vincenzo Mannino and Dardano Sacchetti wrote the film. Who knows who wrote what and for what reason? Who knows what Lucio Fulci added and what Vincenzo Mannio or some other writer added? Perhaps having four writers on the team only confused things and made the plot less focused?

I like Lucio Fulci. His films are great for many, many reasons, and the man is indeed talented. In many ways he exhibits signs of genius, but plot construction is not f'cking one of them! For f'ck's sake guys, get a grip! You don't need to be a genius to understand that!!!!!!! I find it fascinating the lengths that fan(atics)s will go to to defend things they hold close.

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I just watched this movie and was curious to read what other people had to say about it. This went over my head when watching the movie for the first time but now it makes sense. Few more important clues that you didn't touch on:

-During the scene where the professor's assistant (or whoever she is) is in his office looking at the picture of the dead girl he tells her "don't accept rides from anyone with two fingers missing". But the professor makes it clear he never believed the man with two missing fingers was the killer. It was almost as if he felt he needed to cover his tracks from the assistant and feed her BS information.
-The professor buys a sex magazine of men at one point during the movie and this purchase and scene are never directly explained. What this scene is likely establishing is the start of a foundation for the professor's motives to murder women, he simply hates the gender. Or it would at least explain why a male serial killer has zero sexual interest in young, attractive and sexually active women.

However, to fog up all theories, at the beginning of the movie the guy that examined the corpse indicates that the killer is left handed. I quickly re-watched many scenes in fast forward and it actually looks like every one in the movie is right handed. Examples: The professor signs papers with his right hand in one scene toward the end of the movie and Peter writes on the chalk board with his right hand. The only left handed scenes other than the faceless killing scenes is the knife fight at the end of the movie and surprisingly both of them grip the knife and stab with their left hand (???).

This was the second Fulci film I've seen, Zombi 2 of course was my first, and I'd have to say that I liked this one better. The next one I'm seeing is The House by the Cemetery, really looking forward to it.

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This whole thread is really convoluted now, haha... it doesn't matter if we're debating over things that may not even be valid; the least this 'trash film' is doing is making people *THINK* a little. I don't see that as a bad thing.

"This was the second Fulci film I've seen, Zombi 2 of course was my first, and I'd have to say that I liked this one better. The next one I'm seeing is The House by the Cemetery, really looking forward to it."

Aaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!

House By The Cemetery is so great. =D

"Cain and Abel will go to Heaven... if they can make it through Hell!" -Los Hijos Del Topo

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This sick little number isn't ammong Fulci's better works, nor is it a shining example of a giallo, but I do like the fact you came up with an alternate (if completely unsupported) theory. I would love to read your thoughts on the ending of "City of the Living Dead", mate.

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The Duck voice talking on the phone to peter towards the end - "this is the little duck and we haven't played in a long time" is his Daughter and fay is listening in from the kitchen, that is when she knows for sure that peter is the killer.

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A Father's revenge story is what this is. Scalenda was the fall guy, used by the extra smart and intelligent, Peter. It's all so simple, yet people make so much over it. There's nothing more to it.

"Lookie! Built you a little fry house!''

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wow, I am the original poster, having not been on these boards for some time I am rather surprised at the little discussion I have spawned....I still stand by my original comments and various others have posted several things that seemed to reinforce this theory(considering I had not seen the movie in a LOOOOOONG time before that post).

To cities_of_dust:

As for the end of City of the Living Dead, I have a very simple theory....EVERYTHING WAS F U C K ED!!!!!

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I just viewed the Another World dvd which is the director's cut in the CORRECT ORDER, and indeed that freeze frame, like the after math of the bat attack scene in House by the Cemetery, is out of order! When the detective and professor are walking to the cab on the detective gets in. Then you see the freeze frame of the professor looking back. It was meant to be a red herring, to help confuse the viewer on the identity of the ripper.

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Clearly there a three things in this movie that leave the ending a cliffhanger.

1. The professor buying a gay magazine. This makes no sense in the movie unless to point out the fact that the professor might of been the gay parent along with peter. The only thing that doesn't make sense with this scenario is why is Peter with Fay.

2. When peter is called at the end he is not speaking while the duck voice is going on. The next scene shows a duck and a phone in his daughters room. Meaning she could be telling him what to do. And they could both be the duck voice. It does sound different when peter does it then when its on the phone.

3. And third the telephone ringing in the office not peters house and her saying daddy.

I believe that both Peter and the Professor were the Parents and that the professor used peter to kill others. He was the actual killer while the professor kept him killing.

It is possible for more than one person in the movie to use the duck voice.

P.S. Though Fulci made low budget films they for the most part make sense and don't have huge plot holes like this would if you just accept that peter was the sole killer. Don't resort to just saying that fulci movies don't make sense so neither does this.

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Actually, it is left hanging. I think too that the doctor was the killer, that and the bottle scene is what I remember from the movie. Imho the identity is left hanging, and you much choose whether or not the doctor was the ripper.

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I just watched this again and I have to say that you people that are insisting the dr is the killer are NOT reading the rebuttals and the same topics keep getting argued over and over again.


YES--the freeze frame is definitely out of order in happened in the middle of the movie.

The gay magazine scene...the chess comment SIMPLY red-herring bait.

Why would a hottie like Peter hook up with an ugly nerd like the Dr. anyway =P
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the entire movie seemed pretty straight forward and pretty damn stupid. a duck?? what the hell was he possibly thinking. when i first heard the killers voice all i could think was "wtf??"" it actually took a bit for me to process someone coming up with such a stupid premise. but alas i finally came to accept that it was a fulci movie.

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All those serious discussions about Fulci's "genius" just because of a misplaced frame due to bad editing !!!! hee hee hee !

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Keep in mind that this was more or less a good 10 years after Dario Argento had pretty much made a career out of Giallos, much less his particular brand, which itself followed a pattern once you recognized it (a really good red herring is set up, close to being caught but then killed... unfortunately, the movie still has 10 minutes left, which even the main character(s) seem to be aware of, as they ponder.. "wait a minute.. this can't be... there's still something off...", whereupon the REAL killer is produced, along with semi-slick finale or anti-climax).

This could simply be Fulci's way of copying the Giallo formula, in that the boyfriend (who could have still killed some of the people, maybe even from the good Doctor's psychological influence) is set up as the obvious killer, with the duck voice and trying to kill his girlfriend and all. But all it takes is a few good edits and shots to point to the REAL killer, who could very well be the Doctor, as it would fit the pattern of the typical Italian Giallo.

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Fulci made gialli in the seventies himself. The more you know.

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