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What's the SECOND best female performance?


The general consensus, and rightly so, is that this is the finest performance by a film actress ever. I have watched this movie many times, with many different goals (one included evaluating the movie without considering Streep's performance), and yes, it is almost certainly the best performance by a female actor ever filmed.

So my thread is this: Let's assume that this is the best performance. What's your pick for the second best performance by a female in film? Please include reasons. Being a fan is a reason but not a good enough one. Explain why you're a fan then.


I am thinking, my personal candidates would be:

Helen Mirren in The Queen, since she really did nail it and walked a very delicate tightrope. When you think about it, any decent actress would consider this to be one of the most terrifying roles she could take. Especially if she were a British actress. Mirren was both fearless and flawless.

Jennifer Connelly in Requiem for a Dream. Once again, another horrifying descent into a different type of abyss for an actress. Her unquenchable rage just barely beneath the surface of what could have been a two dimensional portrait of a rich junkie girl is what did it for me. The scene where she stands completely nude in the mirror and examines herself -- What happened to my life, how did I get here? That was heartbreaking. Her sex scene for drugs made me feel filthy and horrible and violated.

Kate Winslet in Eternal Sunshine. I am going to be biased and pick this as my second best female performance ever. I am a huge fan of the Great (younger) Kate, because all of her characters have some unknowable and slightly dangerous trait of unpredicatability. No matter what her character is, there is always the chance that things could turn dark and dangerous, and quickly. In Eternal Sunshine, her character knows this. Clem knows she is a crazy girl and she probably knows exactly why and how and when and where. She has all the answers but not the solution. She still doesn't have access to peace and joy and security. She knows she just might run even if she doesn't want to. What was amazing to me was that most of our exposure to Clem happens in Joel's head. We get to know Clem through Joel's eyes and memories. It was amazing for Kate to add that extra layer on top of this unstable and unpredictable character, to make her not just Clementine, but Joel's (mostly accurate) version of Clementine. And we fall for her as we go back in time, and we discover along with Joel just what it was about her that made him and us fall for this kooky girl to begin with.

Those are my three ideas, with Kate in Eternal Sunshine being my official second best female acting performance in film. It is just my opinion, and I am sure there might be demonstrably better choices that I simply haven't seen yet.

Come on, this would be a good discussion point. I want to hear what others think and why.

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sarah michelle gellar, veronika decides to die
nicole kidman, the hours
kate winslet, eternal sunshine of the spotless mind
jodie foster, the silence of the lambs


Any of those four.

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Cant believe no one mentioned this one.

Angela Lansbury in the manchurian candidate.

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Louise Fletcher in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
I truly wanted him to finish killing her; I wanted to kill her.
She will always be that character.

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The best performance ever? That is a relative opinion.
My choices for being on par with her or better
Barbabra Stanwyke Double Idemity, Stella Dallas
Bette Davis The Little Foxes, All About Eve, Jezebel
Joan Crawford Mildred Pierce
Hilary Swank Boys Don't Cry
Susan Haywood I Want to Live
Jodie Foster The Accused
Katherine Hepburn The Lion In Winter
Sophia Loren 2 Women
Mo'nique Precious
Bonnie Bedelia Heart Like a Wheel
Natalie Wood Splendor in the Grass
Ann Blyth Mildred Pierce
Lee Remick The Days of Wine and Roses
Patrica Neal, Hud, Face in the Crowd
Angela Bassett What's Love Got to Do with It?
Gene Tierney Leave Her OT heaven

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I like your list. Generally I liked her more humorous parts. I think the movie she made with Albert Brooks was one of my favorites. Very sweet. There are some actress's who I am hesitant to mention like Clara Bow, Thelma Ritter whosteals any scenes she is in.

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Clara Bow did this movie call her Savage. I caught it on TCM one one. She went through everything. Se made Bette Davis' part in Of Human Bondage look like a Disney movie. She like John Gilbert got a bad rap, she did not sound so horrible. Even though the roles was heavy she played it like she was having a good time. My favorite movies are silent movies. And those actors had to act without voice. I think anybody that had a gripe with the studios were giving a hard time. So they got rid of you by saying your voice was no good. She would of been a big star IMO.

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'And those actors had to act without voice'.
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But why do you think that is a harder feat? Some actors can be great expressing emotion..until they open thier mouths. Doesn't Raquel Welch seem competent when she's not speaking?
Also, notice how the OP and the subsequent posters are only going back 10 years; not an objective list.

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I think it is a harder feat if you have to do it the whole movie. I have seen some Lon Chaney movies that I know most actors could not match. Sometimes these silent actors are very hammy and that can be a turn off. But the good ones were great and I m hard pressed to think most of these contemporary actors could pull if off. IMO a lot of the actors people think are so good now are over acting half the time. Less is more.
Yes I have notices a lot of lists are very new. But I think a lot of people who call themselves movies fans will not even look at a movie that is not in color or a movie with subtitles. I know people who pride themselves in being big fans of movies and never hear or seen movies like On the Waterfront!

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You may be right, but consider this: take a film with a bad performance (for example, Patty Duke in VOTD)and turn off the audio. Would that performance suddenly seem less terrible?

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If you are a bad actor nothing helps. I suspect if you turn the sound down on a bad actor you will see a lot of over emoting. But Patty Duke is a good actress.

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I used Patty as an example because VOTD was a famous bad performance.
I was trying to show in the reciprocal I used that it seems to gray of an area; we don't know how some of these silent-film actors would had sounded if we atually heard them.

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It was a miscast but she wasn't that bad. lol The whole movie was pretty terrible.

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I agree, but aside from Patty, what do you thinki of my last post?

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About how some of the silent actors would of sounded? Well I understand a lot of them had really thick accents. People like Valentino, Nazimova probably would not have made it because he had a very thick accent. They were having problems with Garbo too. They said that Clara Bow had a thick Brooklyn accent but when I heard her and she didn't sound bad. Also they black balled actors like John Gilbert because of his relationship with Garbo and he had a very good talking voice.
About if a bad performance might look better without sound. I think no because bad performances IMO mean over emoting and hamming it up.

Also a lot of stage actors look hammy on the screen because of their voice. They do not use microphones for the most part on stage and you can tell a who was mainly a stage actor in a minute. If ind their mannerism very different too.

I wanted add Anne Bancroft to that list of great performances. I think her acting in The Miracle Worker is one of the best put on film. Patty Duke reminded me of her. How I could of forgotten her is crazy. Mt favorite male performance is Henry Fonda in Young Mister Lincoln and Spencer Tracy in Fury.

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Oh- forgot about Jodi Foster in Silence of the Lambs....

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it could be Kate Winslet in "The Reader"...
or Kathy Bates in "Misery"....
Helen Mirren as "The Queen"....
or even Angelina Jolie in the film "Changeling"

hard to decide

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Kathy Bates - Misery

Charlise Theron - Monster


Whoopi Goldberg - Ghost






Jesus would support Universal Health Care

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Meryl Streep was phenomenal in this film. But my personal #1 is draw between Vivien Leigh in Gone With the Wind and Shirley MacClaine in Terms of Endearment, especially McClaine. The scene where she goes into hysterics over her daughter not receiving her pain medication gets me choked up every time I watch it.

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I've never seen Sophie's Choice cause I cannot find it anywhere, so the best female movie performance of all time to me is still either Fernanda Montenegro in Central Station or Audrey Tautou in Amélie.

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eh? History of cinema can't show anything better than Winslet, Connelly and Mirren? I hope you're kidding. Try with Harriet Andersson in Cries and Whispers, Liv Ullman in Persona, Ingrid Thulin in a lot of movies, Isabelle Hupper in la Pianiste, R. Falconetti in La Passion de Jeanne d'Arc, Lisbeth Movin in Day of Wrath. But there are many other exemplas.
To clear it off: I love Winslet in Etern Sunshine but it's not a terrific performance, she's offer an enchantable portrait of an unconventional funny girl.

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I have to go with Burstyn in Requiem for a Dream. What a complex, gut wrenching performance.

Meryl Streep for a Cry in the Dark.









Even if it means me taking a chubby, I will suck it up! - Tobias Funke

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Liv Ullmann in “Face to Face”
Giulietta Masina in “Nights of Cabiria”
Simone Signoret in "Casque d'Or"
Greta Garbo in "Queen Christina"
Judi Dench in "Mrs. Brown"
Ellen Burstyn in "Resurrection"
Ingrid Bergman Intermezzo
Ingrid Thulin Cries and Whispers
Emily Watson Breaking the Waves
Holly Hunter The Piano
Jane Fonda Klute
Isabelle Huppert La Dentelliere
Irene Jacob The Double Life of Veronique
Juliette Binoche Three Colours: Blue
Nicole Kidman Dogville
Gong Li in Raise the Red Lantern
Gena Rowlands in Gloria.


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Marion Cotillard in La Vie En Rose

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Anything with Kim Stanley, after Sophies Choice, which is not to be believed that this is an American Actress,

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