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Ridiculously trivial question about the cigarette


There's something trivial about asking such a minor question about such a great movie, but here it goes. In the first scene inside the house Michael and his buddies are playing a game around the table and there's a cigatette lit and smoking right next to Tyler. It's hard to believe that kids their age would smoke openly in front of anyone's parents. But it's equally hard to believe that Mary (the mom) would leave it right next to the kids - though it is 1982 not current times. But she never reaches for it either. Just one of those odd questions. Any ideas?

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think they were cigars
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Why are all so cautious and conservative around cigarettes?
All are acting as if smoking is the most horrible crime ever invented, even a lit cigarette that no one smokes cause stir.

It's not the end of the world if someone smokes, especially not on film. There are far more pressing issues to care about.

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People weren't so uptight about things back then. My grandma used to send me to the store as kid to get her cigarettes and she smoked around us kids all the time. I'm sure if older kids smoked, no one was going to tell them not to. Also, seat belts were totally optional. My main seatbelt was my mom's arm stretching across my body if she had to stop suddenly. We kids would also sit in the bed of a pickup truck on the freeway on the way to the park or someplace. Monkeybars were made of hard iron poles and set high upon asphalt.

It's never struck me as odd in all these years that there is cigarette smoke in this scene from ET. I guess it must look really nuts to kids these days.

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I noticed this as well. As others have said, you never actually see anyone smoking, nor do you get a good look at the lit cigarette. I think the smoke was mostly a prop for ambiance/atmosphere. To show these boys are kind of rebellious and cool (like in Stand By Me). I kind of assume that they were smoking while the mother was out of room and she overlooked it when she came in. After all, it was the early 80s and people smoked everywhere. A place smelling of cigarette smoke was of no consequence back then. Plus the oldest boy seem like he was 16 or 17, and lots of kids that age smoke.

But again, I think it was mostly a prop to show the rebellious nature of the boys, then when the mom comes in, we are reminded that they are still boys and bound by the rules of adults ("who said you could order pizza?!!").

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nor do you get a good look at the lit cigarette

Yes, you do. For 8 long seconds, behind the can of "Tab"; the scene where the kid in the white shirt is on the phone and says, "I got 'em, I got 'em" when the pizza company answers his call. The cigarette is as clear as day.

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I got the impression that the cigarette was being used as a fogger because of an insect problem, as indicated by the Raid bug spray can. The cinematic purpose was atmosphere and the justification was the suggestion of a flying insect problem.

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I saw this movie today in 2014 and yeah that scene grabbed my attention too, young kids smoking and gambling (that bundle of money looked real!) and the mom is ok with it but later freaks out because they ordered a pizza! And the other kid trying to grab her ass in the silky red robe, what was Spielberg thinking...

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Okay I watched the scene last night several times.

First of all, the people in this thread who keep saying "Don't be so PC, don't be so fanatical about smoking, that's the way it was back then, etc" need to quiet down. The importance of analyzing the smoking is because it gives clues to how the scene took shape, was edited and perhaps indicates that as scripted and/or shot the scene was very different at one point.

So it starts off with a shot of the exterior of the house, cut to the interior kitchen. Kids are around the table playing Dungeons and Dragons. One kid is on the phone trying to request a song, Elliot is begging to get a turn to play. There is indeed A LOT of smoke present in the air, one lit cigarette is seen sitting in an ash tray on the table. We don't see any of the kids smoke. Elliot gets sent outside to wait for the pizza guy. It's important to note that the mom is not shown at any time during this scene.

Cut to exterior, Elliot receives pizza from delivery guy. Cut back inside. The kids are still around the table, there is smoke in the air, but much less of it. No cigarettes are visible. The mom is now present, she is in a bath robe. It's at this point that one of the friends points a finger like he is going to touch the mom's ass while she bends over to put food in the dishwasher. At no time does she, or anyone else, smoke.

MY THEORY:

The Dungeons and Dragons scene was originally much longer. The kids are home alone. They are being rebellious and smoking. At some point the mom returns home (from work I would guess) and catches them smoking. She probably chastises them in a way similar to how she will later handle a kid that says "douche bag", telling them, "who do you guys think you are? No smoking in my house!" Something like that. She goes up stairs and changes in to the bath robe.

I know I'm speculating, but there is enough present in the final cut to infer that the scene was originally longer (probably too long and slow) and it was trimmed to get to the story of Elliot and ET faster. Furthermore, any actual smoking by the kids was cut. Probably due to second thoughts by Spielberg or advice of his editors that his attempt to show bad boy kids smoking while mom is out of the house made the characters seem less sympathetic.

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I'm the O.P. of this thread, and since I'm going to watch E.T. tonight - something I seem to do every Autumn - I thought I'd check this old comment/question and am amazed by all the responses. ebright99 here has a very interesting idea here that is very plausable and could explain a lot. The people who say it was for atmosphere also have a point. I would like to thank ebright99 for bringing the thread back on track as it was veering off with all the "don't be so PC" type comments.

I never was trying to make any point like that or give any opinion about smoking by or near teens. The point was that (despite a few people's personal experiences otherwise), it was culturally inaccurate for the time (1982) and place (comfortable middle class suburb, in this case Tujunga, though Spielbeg Suburbia is really any-and-every-where) for kids to be smoking openly like this at home. And these boys look and act fourteen (think of the school bus scene) even if the actors were fifteen. There had to be a reason within the film or its screenplay.

The idea here that this could be a few bits left of an otherwise long scene of exposition of the characters is a real possibility.

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Are we sure it's not Incense. They WERE Playing D&D in the scene, or something like that.

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ashepiro: Are we sure it's not incense. They WERE Playing D&D in the scene, or something like that.


I definitely saw an object that had smoke coming from a long white end, and the other end looked like the filter of a cigarette...

I don't know anything about how incense is "marketed"... Perhaps some could look like Cigarettes...

I have heard of Herbal Cigarettes. Not sure what they all do. Maybe someone was smoking one of those, or was using one to make the air smokey...

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It was the 80's. People didn't care as much about stuff like that.

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Teenage smoking was discouraged, but we were allowed to smoke in the school parking lot at lunch in the late seventies/early eighties. My mom chided me for smoking but did not forbid it.

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