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Ridiculously trivial question about the cigarette


There's something trivial about asking such a minor question about such a great movie, but here it goes. In the first scene inside the house Michael and his buddies are playing a game around the table and there's a cigatette lit and smoking right next to Tyler. It's hard to believe that kids their age would smoke openly in front of anyone's parents. But it's equally hard to believe that Mary (the mom) would leave it right next to the kids - though it is 1982 not current times. But she never reaches for it either. Just one of those odd questions. Any ideas?

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I rewatched ET after many years just yesterday and was thinking about same thing but it's not clear if it's really cigarette.

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Thanks, Peter, at the very least I know I'm not the only person ever bugged by this. It bugged me even when I first saw it in the theater in 1982. I just looked at the scene closely on the laptop in slow motion and freeze framed it.

The first thing you notice about the table is how smokey the air is under the bright light; really smokey; too smokey for a table full of kids. At first you think it's steam coming out of the mugs on the table and some of it may be, but some of it is thicker and silver like smoke and not stream. Besides, they each have a different soft drink next to them and so I doubt that they'd also have hot drinks.

Then from 8:40 to 8:48 as the camera circles the table, you can clearly see a cigarette just right of Tyler between the mug and the Tab can, with the filter clear on one end and smoke at the tip. What's really odd though is that there seems to be even more smoke coming from the same area but from behind the Tab can and thus not visible.

This doesn't make sense - the whole smoky room effect and the cigarette, given the ages of the boys and the fact that Mom is home (at their ages they might be sneaking a smoke, but...). Also, Mary is not right there. Besides, would a mom leave a lit cigarette on the table with the kids? Maybe the second-hand smoke thing wasn't so big then.

It's a small point, but this is SPIELBERG, who determines every minute detail of his films and even went back to tweak this one. There couldn't be an accidental element in a Spielberg film. Maybe there's no real answer to this question, but the smokiness of the room has always been a mystery to me.

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You are right, I just googled it and it's cigarette even according PG:
"A cigarette burns in an ashtray while several boys are the only ones around."
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0083866/parentalguide

In this review they say it's actually steam from food:
(Notice in that scene that the steaming food has the look of cigarette smoke, transforming the kitchen into a den of iniquity.)
http://illuminedillusions.com/E.t..htm

Here they said they were actually smoking although not shown in movie:
http://www.moviemistakes.com/film426/questions

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Thanks foe checking this out so thoroughly. I went to the three sites listed. Forget the "steam" theory. There isn't any food at all on the table; that's why they're ordering a pizza. I don't see "cigarettes on the table" but only one, but that's enough.

So I guess Mary just lets these 14 to 15 year old boys smoke around her even though this would be considered outrageous behavior for a mom, even in 1982. And in every other way she's shown to be an attentive, caring mother. She even cuffs Tyler on the head when he uses the word "douche-bag" Just seems odd for this All-American middle class setting, but I guess Spielberg wanted it for some reason.

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its crazy how insane people are about smoking.

even having a cigarette near a child unsupervised is like the end of the world now lmao.

int he 80s, there could be open electrical sockets that are sparking in the corner that you would get in trouble if it hurt you.


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I never even realized they had a cigarette. I remember the playing area being smoky, but never paid much attention to it. I'll have to check it out next time I watch the movie.

It's funny that she would reprimand the kids for saying "douche bag," yet not have a problem with them smoking.

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The first thing I noticed from looking at the threads is the need for Realism. So, the cig could have been the busy Mom's, who was rushing around cleaning. No one, even the mother was ever seen smoking, even while waiting for the kids to come back from trick or treating. Why is that? Why leave a cig sitting around turning to ash but not have anyone smoke at any other time in the movie?
Cig smoking is a bad habit, but then so is talking about enemas, so the kid deserved a smack upside the head.

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Maybe the second-hand smoke thing wasn't so big then.


I don't even think the term existed then. My dad used to smoke in the house. People used to smoke everywhere in public. I clearly remember going to a bowling alley as a child and being able to look up and see a heavy fog of cigarette smoke hovering above my head.

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I was re-watching it today and noticed that too. Like, she's ok with the kids smoking, but not ordering a pizza?

But I got the sense from the whole movie that she was pretty out of touch.

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If they were high school seniors, which they may have been, it was "old enough" in the early 80's, even if you couldn't legally buy them.

I don't think she's freaking out over the pizza. Typical mom reaction, trust me...

It's not like they were at a casino at the roulette table.

I think she was mad about the pizza because it looks as if she's getting dinner ready.

When I watch the movie now, I'm all like "oh bad idea." But when it came out, the smoking factor by me was totally normal and something that happened at the dinner table. Sh... I remember some older members of the family smoking between bites.

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I was 14 when E.T came out and I remember asking myself, "Why is there a cigarette burning like these are adults playing poker in Vegas?" This scene has always bothered me....and after watching it the other day with my kids I decided to come here and see if anyone else was bothered by it.

It's a strange scene because like you said no one smokes the cigarette. I guess Spielberg wanted the typical smokey card playing ambiance but it doesn't work. No parent would ever let kids like this smoke inside while they play cards.

Btw, I always wondered why they had a random can of RAID on the table. I can see air freshener but not a can of RAID.

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Oh yes, the Raid can. I saw that when I was checking for the cigarette and couldn't even begin to explain it. Crazy product placement? Or did they have such a roach problem they always had to have it handy?

You may be right about wanting a "smokey ambiance" because it's so thick that I DID notice it at the first screening. I'm thinking how possibly it ties the indoor scene to the forest scenes before it which were so foggy.

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This movie was filmed in 1977.
Maybe the kids weren't smoking, but the grown ups sure did back then. Anywhere and everywhere. Folks smoked inside all the time, and with the whole family in the same room, even the kids.
Just like no car seat, or seat belts, or helmets for the kids on bikes.
Old days, that's all.

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Filmed in 1977? Drew Barrymore is the most mature looking/acting 2-year-old I've ever witnessed.

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Yep, I WAS wrong!
Well, I guess that can happen after you hit 50. :0)

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The movie was released in 1982. I think you're thinking about Close Encounters.

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Holy crap! You're right!!
Thanks for pointing that out :)

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I grew up in the 80s, same age as Drew Barrymore was in this movie.yes, people smoked around kids all the time. People used to smoke in our house all the time, even though no one that lived there did. Some people let their older kids smoke, too, just because so many people smoked back then it was just accepted.


Michael and his friend were probably around 16, so it could have been one of theirs, but it could have been the mom's because no one thought anything of smoking around their kids back then... My grandmother even used to send me to the corner store to buy them for her when I probably wasn't even ten years old yet.


Is this some sort of funhouse... "Why, having fun?"

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My mother used to send me to the corner store for smokes, back then. Probably from about 9 years old & beyond. Clerk didn't bat an eye.

I didn't smoke, but I knew a couple of boys who did. One was about 13 @ the time.

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My father did the same thing and I don't smoke!

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My parents let me smoke. So what?


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Several variations of the D&D scene were shot. You can see other stuff in some of the behind the scenes footage. My guess is that at one point they had Mary smoke and she set down a cigarette. I can't imagine that they would have had the kids smoking.

It's also possible that the intent is subliminal and symbolic: the cigarette and the cans of Raid and Wizard might go unnoticed by a casual viewer, but what that all adds up to is chemical pollution surrounding children. (Before this we also have the shot of the truck exhaust smoking up the forest when the trucks arrive.) It's just another bit of strangeness in an odd scene that also has Mary wearing a bathrobe around her son's friends. And what radio station is there that would go from playing "People Who Died" to (apparently as a phone request from the kids) "Papa Oom-mow-mow"?

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Parents who let their kids smoke are not doing their job right. Did your parents also let you drink alcohol?

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It was just a different time back then. You can't really pass judgment on people of past generations for not knowing what we know now since, up until just a few decades ago, almost every teen smoked.

Yes, I was allowed, by my dad, to taste a beer as a little kid, and I thought it was sort of gross, and then I had my first glass of wine as a teen during Thanksgiving with my parents' permission. I still drink socially, but I don't smoke tobacco.

In addition, it's obvious that your parents didn't let you smoke or drink... and you turned into an *beep* who talks trash about other people's parents.


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It was just a different time back then. You can't really pass judgment on people of past generations for not knowing what we know now since, up until just a few decades ago, almost every teen smoked.



Agreed....I wonder how many people in years to come will look back at the 2000's on their 'moral high horse' finger pointing at the parents of the millennials.... Whinging at the fact that they use to let the kids 'fill their boots' on all the uncensored hardcore internet porn.

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Atmosphere!



I got news for 'em. There's gonna be hell to pay. 'Cause I ain't Daddy's little boy no more.

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Well, she was walking around in only a silky night gown, with her nipples poking out, bending over in front of them, may she was just a slag mother.

Only those with no valid argument pick holes in people's spelling and grammar.

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OMG. People are still obsessing over this trivial crap?? Why don't we just go through all of the old classics and remove any and all cigarettes digitally... just to please the delicate sensibilities of these overly sensitive, PC-wacko yuppies, who are horrible at educating their own kids about the dangers of smoking,...?

Also, from what my mom told me, when she was Michael's age in that era, she was smoking, smoking pot and drinking with her friends. She turned out to be a wonderful woman, who wasn't addicted to anything... nothing worse anyway. So, I really don't understand the issue here.

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