6.1 out of 10 star rating??? wtf!
this film should be at at least 8.8. how can people rate this film low? this is one of the best friday the 13th films.
shareI'm gonna have to agree. 8.8 sounds right.
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You'll get no argument from me about going to 9.2. The one is a treasure, in what is essentially a lost art, the slasher movie.
sharebut try telling these idiots on here and the movie db that. the things they don't understand dumbly, is you can't rate the friday the 13th films against important films like the godfather or the matrix because the friday the 13th films don't have to have great acting, great directing, great plots, great character development, or great dialogue because they are slasher films.
slasher films have to have very few film elements working at a high level in order to be great. they have to have interesting, fun, entertaining characters, a tough, resilient, intimidating, imposing villain, great music that sets the tone for the scenes and what happens, funny, entertaining, and memorable lines, and great make-up effects, and not great but interesting and entertaining, and original plots.
also did the filmmakers accomplish what they set out to do when making a friday the 13th film? the answer is yes. oh and are the friday the 13th films great enough when compared to other slasher films, the answer again is yes.
but why is it a lost art? i know, it's so sad how there are so few slasher movies made nowadays. and when they make them they all are too smart to be good, like they are made by just out of film school nerds who think they know more about films than anyone. i'm talking about movies like the cabin in the woods, the final girl, and tucker and dale vs. evil. these movies damage people's love and memories of slasher movies because they make us question what we love about slasher movies and in doing so we overthink them and then think of them as being bad.
friday the 13th part 2 is better than the original film. it's faster paced, it has more characters, it has more entertaining, more interesting, and varied characters, the characters are more multi dimensional and more to them than in the original, it has more kills, it has better kills, it has a great Jason, one of the best Jasons, it also has a more interesting heroine.
"it has a great Jason, one of the best Jasons"
It has the worst Jason by far. He's small, he has hair, and the sack on his head is generic and sucks. If they had thought of Richard Brooker and the iconic goalie mask for part 2 it would have been way better.
then how come everyone agrees almost unanimously that part 2 is one of the best friday the 13th films of all time? also, Jason doesn't have to be that big and strong or be bald, also his sack is not generic and doesn't suck, the sack was really dark and cool, and scary looking, especially because of the fact that you only see one of his eyes through one hole, that is creepy and scarier than him wearing a hockey mask.
another thing is jason is a human being and so him having a sack and being less hugely strong makes him more human than richard brooker in part 3, so it works better in a way for his character, it's more realistic, jason in part 3 and 4 works as an imposing, hugely strong guy as well but in a different way. but there's something scary and more lifelike and human about jason in part 2 than in part 3 and 4.
"then how come everyone agrees almost unanimously that part 2 is one of the best friday the 13th films of all time?"
First, you haven't established that that's true, and even if it were true, that wouldn't automatically mean they also agree "it has a great Jason, one of the best Jasons," and even if they did agree, it would only be an opinion.
"Jason doesn't have to be that big and strong or be bald"
Jason is bald, as can be seen in part 1, as well as every other Paramount F13 movie aside from part 2.
"also his sack is not generic and doesn't suck"
Of course it's generic. It's just a sack. You can find one in pretty much every house in the world, in the form of a pillowcase or various other types of cloth bags/sacks. On the other hand, the goalie mask was a patented Fibrosport design, so obviously not generic (you can't patent something generic like a plain cloth sack). See here:
https://i.imgur.com/3jI6oFR.jpg
That's not the same model that they copied for Jason's mask, but Fibrosport patented all of their models. The exact model was the Fibrosport Elite, which can be seen at the top of this picture:
https://i.imgur.com/lPAstjT.jpg
"the sack was really dark and cool, and scary looking"
No, it wasn't. It was just a bag worn by a small, bumbling fool who gets kicked in the nads and falls off a chair.
"especially because of the fact that you only see one of his eyes through one hole"
That makes it even less intimidating. Someone who is obviously half-blind is a lot easier to defeat, especially when they are small, clumsy, and easily tricked.
"that is creepy and scarier than him wearing a hockey mask."
No. That particular goalie mask has an intimidating appearance, plus it offers full visibility as well as armor for his face, which makes it harder to effectively attack him. For example, trying to punch him in the face would hurt your hand more than it would hurt him, given that it's designed to handle being hit by a hockey puck at 100+ miles per hour.
"another thing is jason is a human being and so him having a sack and being less hugely strong makes him more human than richard brooker in part 3, so it works better in a way for his character, it's more realistic, jason in part 3 and 4 works as an imposing, hugely strong guy as well but in a different way. but there's something scary and more lifelike and human about jason in part 2 than in part 3 and 4."
Jason is undead; he's not supposed to be realistic. In part 2 he looks and moves like a normal guy, albeit a small and clumsy one. In part 3 he looks and moves like a freak, which is what he's supposed to be. They used prosthetic appliances to give him unnatural anatomy in the areas of his head, neck, and back, and Brooker's movements / body language were freakish as well. Watch the scene when he turns and walks away after he shoots the girl in the eye with the harpoon gun, for a good example of this. Even the way Brooker positioned his arms, hands, fingers, and the way he angled his wrists, were all freaky. A lot more effort went into the Jason character, both from the special effects department and from the actor playing him, than in part 2 when it was just a small guy with normal-appearing anatomy and body movements wearing a generic bag on his head.
it's almost universally known and accepted that part 2 is one of the best friday the 13th films. ask anyone, anywhere and if they know anything about this series and anything about films they will say that part 2 is one of the best ever made. from a filmmaking perspective it's artistic, has a great and quick, swift pace, it flows really well, it has great directing, it has suspense, it's eerie and kind of scary, it's the last friday the 13th film which is actually scary.
it has great and memorable characters, one of the best jasons, it's mysterious with the story and the jason myth, it has great and memorable performances, a great ensemble performances and characters, some of the best kill scenes ever in a horror movie, one of the best scores in this series, great location shooting, and it has one of the best heroines and final girls in this series.
First, you haven't established that that's true, and even if it were true, that wouldn't automatically mean they also agree "it has a great Jason, one of the best Jasons," and even if they did agree, it would only be an opinion.? i didn't say that just because it's one of the best ft13th films ever made that they automatically think it has a great jason and one of the best jasons.
just because jason was bald in every other ft13th film doesn't mean he has to be bald, maybe at one time he could grow hair.
just because you can find any sack or pillowcase anywhere that looks just like his sack doesn't mean his sack is generic. who care is the sack is patented? that doesn't make it any less cool or authentic.
you're wrong. the sack was really dark and cool, and scary looking.
fuck you
that was realistic, it was needed.
you are really stupid saying the one eye showing makes a person less intimidating, did yiou look at jason in this fiml, he is really scary looking and having him only be able to see through a hole with one eye makes him even more scary, weird, and disturbing looking and being. he's not small, clum
sy and easily tricked. jason is not undead in part 1, 2, 3, or 4. in these films he is a human being. you're wrong, he is supposed to be realistic in parts 1-4 as he is a human being it those films. did you even watch parts 1-4? obviously you didn't. he's not small or clumsy in part 2, fuck you.
share"it's almost universally known and accepted that part 2 is one of the best friday the 13th films. ask anyone, anywhere and if they know anything about this series and anything about films they will say that part 2 is one of the best ever made. from a filmmaking perspective it's artistic, has a great and quick, swift pace, it flows really well, it has great directing, it has suspense, it's eerie and kind of scary, it's the last friday the 13th film which is actually scary."
I've already addressed this non sequitur of yours, dumbass, so consider it dismissed out of hand.
"it has great and memorable characters, one of the best jasons, it's mysterious with the story and the jason myth, it has great and memorable performances, a great ensemble performances and characters, some of the best kill scenes ever in a horror movie, one of the best scores in this series, great location shooting, and it has one of the best heroines and final girls in this series."
This is a non sequitur as well, simpleton, as it has nothing to do with your assertion that...
"it has a great Jason, one of the best Jasons"
... and as such, consider it dismissed as well.
"i didn't say that just because it's one of the best ft13th films ever made that they automatically think it has a great jason and one of the best jasons."
Which makes it a non sequitur, because the only thing I replied to you about was your asinine assertion that "it has a great Jason, one of the best Jasons."
"just because jason was bald in every other ft13th film doesn't mean he has to be bald, maybe at one time he could grow hair."
Utterly absurd. He was bald as a kid, and he was bald immediately following the events of part 2. What do you think he did, shave his head? Jason having hair in part 2 was a stupid error on the part of the filmmakers.
"just because you can find any sack or pillowcase anywhere that looks just like his sack doesn't mean his sack is generic."
Yes, that's exactly what it means, dipshit.
"who care is the sack is patented?"
The point is, simpleton, it couldn't be patented even if someone wanted to, because it's far too generic.
"you're wrong. the sack was really dark and cool, and scary looking."
No, numbnuts, it was just a bag on his head, which looked ridiculous. If offered no protection for his face and it impaired his vision. And it wasn't even remotely realistic, because in real life that eye-hole would never stay centered over his eye, which is why, for the movie, they had to use double-sided tape to keep the eyehole centered over his eye.
"that was realistic, it was needed."
No, it wasn't realistic. See above, road apple.
"you are really stupid"
Comical Irony Alert
"saying the one eye showing makes a person less intimidating"
Of course it makes him less intimating, numbnuts. Someone who is half-blind is physically disabled, and physically disabled people aren't particularly intimidating.
"he's not small, clumsy and easily tricked."
Yes, he most certainly was. His mother was dead; he even had her head in his shack. And then, knowing full well his mother was dead, he was tricked into thinking ~20-year-old Amy Steel was his mother. And how was this trickery accomplished? She simply put on her sweater and told him she was his mother, and he believed it. Like I said: easily tricked. And it's easy to see that he's small and clumsy simply by watching the movie.
"jason is not undead in part 1, 2, 3, or 4."
Yes, he is. He died in 1957, moron.
"did you even watch parts 1-4? obviously you didn't."
Comical Irony Alert: Part II
"he's not small or clumsy in part 2, fuck you."
You already said that, Special Ed. See above.