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Why was "Destroyer" toned-down from "Barbarian"?


I became acquainted with the "Conan" movies by watching the 2nd one first. I very much enjoyed the film, and found it to be entertaining.

I recently watched the first movie "Conan the Barbarian". And was surprised at how much more explicit it was, then its sequel. You've got graphic beheadings, a crucifixion, and a ferocious sex scene.

I am wondering if there was a deliberate decision to make the 2nd film much less explicit than its predecessor? I believe the first move was rated R. But Conan the Destroyer was a PG.

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Yes, Dino wanted the sequel to be less violent. Destroyer sucks extremely badly compared to the original. But Destroyer is a bona fide masterpiece when compared to the 2011 Momoa abomination which is one of the worst films of all-time.

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Conan the Destroyer was released in the summer of 1984, and the producers, I presume, would have lost revenues if they'd made it an R-rated film. (I notice that, according to this site, the first film was also a summer release — May of 1982. Perhaps they felt they lost revenue and wanted to compete with the bigger franchises like Temple of Doom (1984) and Return of the Jedi from a year earlier.)

I was a bit disappointed by the lack of T&A in Destroyer... ;)

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Arnold talks about this extensively in his autobiography, and lays the blame squarely on the studio, Universal.

He says Universal cut a lot of violence from Conan The Barbarian, and after the movie's success, they stepped in and took more control of producing the sequel. They "had E.T. on the brain" and wanted a family-friendly PG film in the hopes of making more money.

Arnold objected, saying Conan's appeal had nothing to do with being family-friendly. It would alienate the true Conan fans and destroy the frachise they'd hoped to create. He didn't want to do it, but was bound by contract to reprise his role.

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I wonder why Milius didn't fix the film in his director's cut? Adding back the scenes that Universal cut would have been epic. At the very least, they should be made available as deleted scenes.

I find that the arena scene doesn't fit into the film properly. It should not have been done in a montage format, and none of the fights should have been rushed into a few seconds of screen-time.

I expect the crappiness of the arena scene is due to studio meddling.

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I disagree, the initial arena fight which was shown in full, showed how quickly Conan caught on and got into the fight, then subsequent shorter sequences showed his growth as an arena fighter clearly and how he grew to adore it, it conveyed perfectly and succinctly his develop into a champion.

But hey, if they could have extended it I wouldn't have had a problem with that at all.

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Yeah, the arena scenes worked as a montage as it showed how Conan became the badass that he was. It's not a gladiator movie, so the less time we spend on that aspect of the story, the more time we can spend on the revenge plot.

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He says Universal cut a lot of violence from Conan The Barbarian, and after the movie's success, they stepped in and took more control of producing the sequel.
Totally bizarre when Milius's film had proven to be so commercially successful in the format we all know and love.As Arnie said, it buggered the franchise idea.🐭

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Schwarzenegger said they got upset early on because they originally slated Conan The Barbarian as a holiday release.

When the executives got together to screen it, during the gladiator scene (IIRC) when Conan is hacking people to pieces, the head guy stood up and said "Merry Christmas, guys!" and walked out of the screening room 

And even after the film succeeded, they did an analysis to figure out how much more money they could have made if the film had been "family friendly", and concluded that was the way to go.

Complete idiocy by the studio, especially considering it was a sequel.

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Destroyer sucked. Conan isn't "family friendly" from the start and in order to make him so, they had to compromise his character badly.

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Even in its PG form, Destroyer still isn't very family friendly. You still see a lot of people getting viciously killed, beheaded, and big blood splashes coming out of them when they get hit with an axe or a sword. If they were trying to make it more "family friendly", they still failed. There's also quite a bit of gore at the climax when Conan is chopping up that creature with his sword and then rips its horn out graphically.

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Conan the Destroyer could more aptly be titled "Conan II: the Franchise Destroyer," since it killed any prospect of a Conan III, and is a textbook case of studio interference ruining a movie. This is a problem inherent in the movie industry (some of the time, at least -- there are examples of studio interference actually helping movies from time to time), where you have the men with the money insisting on changes, despite not understanding the first thing about the character, or the genre, or message, or some other aspect of the movie.

Conan the Barbarian was a serious movie, somewhat dark and contemplative in tone, which is natural since the plot revolves around a quest for revenge. Conan the Destroyer, is light, family friendly, with a number of scenes thrown in for deliberately comedic effect, and complete with a buffoonish sidekick to provide comic relief. I get the feeling that Richard Fleischer, and perhaps some of the studio executives who dictated how things were to be done had, perhaps, thumbed quickly through a few of the Marvel Conan comics, and their familiarity with the character didn't go one inch farther than that -- for example, they dressed Conan in the comic-trademark fur loincloth, rather than the assorted outfits and armors he wore in the first movie. And where Milius had Schwarzenegger slim down a little (I read that he actually dropped about 30 pounds), so Conan wouldn't look too much like a product of a modern gym, Fleischer had Arnold pack on the muscle. Where Milius treated the character and story seriously as befits a hero of myth and legend, Fleischer as I mentioned, played many scenes in the sequel for laughs, and the whole film comes across as a light comedy with a little action thrown in. In short, Fleischer looked at almost every good directorial decision Milius took, and then did the polar opposite.

As Thulsa Doom said: such a waste.

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They didn't just go PG, they gave it half the budget of the first movie too. This was the era when sequels were cash grabs. Nobody cared about franchise building.

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THEY GOT RID OF JOHN MILIUS!!! This answers all questions as to why destroyer sucked!

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I don't think Destroyer sucked; it just wasn't as good as Barbarian.

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In theory, less violence meant a PG rating which meant more kids could see the movie which would cause it to make a lot more money. In reality, it did not happen.

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Well once upon a time, Arnold was just some asshole and this was just some movie and the studio was trying to make more money. Nobody was trying to create legendary art.

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