I don't understand why the penny threw him back to the present in the first place?
I mean, if it was that easy, then couldn't just a single thought about his own time have brought him back as well? If so, wouldn't it have just been a matter of time, with or without the penny?
Also, what if she didn't give him the watch? Would that have broken the time loop?
Also, when he took out the penny from his coat, why didn't he quickly put it back in, instead of standing there and looking shocked?
Also, why didn't he tell Elise that he was from the future?
Another thing. Why did he need to make sure that the hotel clerk wrote room 416 and 9:18? What if he wrote something else? Would that have changed his fate?
my thoughts exactly, if you know you're from the future, and you think it,that should automatically bring you back to the future. Perhaps looking at something from the future brings you back? And why didn't he think again and go back if it's that simple to go back to the past? I guess we're supposed to suspend our disbelief. :S
lol suspend our disbelief? Ummm...yeah...the dude has TIME TRAVELED.
Honestly, try and have a little fun for a change. I bet you'll find people are more interested in you. I mean come on, you're watching this fantasy film and asking about the penny's power? lol
"if you know you're from the future, and you think it....": yes, but that's the question, isn't it? Did he still KNOW he was from the future? Mentally, he had completely detached himself from his own time, so possibly he didn't remember and never thought of his own time again. In the beginning of the book he specifically states that he is altering his subconscious. So I think that only a piece of material evidence from his original time could bring him back, probably because of the shock of the sudden realisation that he came from another time.
Tell Elise he's from the future? With what evidence? If you told a woman that, she'd look at you like you should be committed to a mental institution. Certainly not the way to win her heart. Reese told Sarah Connor that in the first Terminator movie. Even though she was being chased by a seemingly indestructible killer, did she believe him?
Also, why didn't he tell Elise that he was from the future?
He probably would have told her later on, I guess. He probably didn't want to take the risk (yet) that she would not believe him and think he was mad.
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>Another thing. Why did he need to make sure that the hotel clerk wrote room 416 and 9:18? What if he wrote something else? Would that have changed his fate?
Richard knows that he and Elise are destined to fall in love (as evidenced by her visiting him eight years earlier and imploring her to "come back" to her.)
Since he knows this to be true, he needs to be sure that all the other things destined to happen also occur. If he deviates from what seem to be the "rules", it opens up the possibility that the relationship may not happen either.
Of course, it's really pre-determinism. Richard has no real control over which room he stays in. 418 would always be the room he ends up in. _____ In case I don't see you ; good afternoon, good evening and good night!
"I don't understand why the penny threw him back to the present in the first place?
I mean, if it was that easy, then couldn't just a single thought about his own time have brought him back as well? If so, wouldn't it have just been a matter of time, with or without the penny?"
The penny was something tangible. In order for Richard to go back in time modern things like the penny and his tape recorder had to be out of sight. It "broke the spell".
"Also, what if she didn't give him the watch? Would that have broken the time loop?"
In the beginning or the end? If she didn't give it to him in the beginning he might not have ever gone in the first place. But it was predestined. I think Richard was indeed worried that for instance if he didn't get the right room at the right time it could very well break the time loop. Maybe it would or maybe it wouldn't. Maybe though if she didn't show him the watch at the end he might have never saw the penny and she would've bought him a new suit and they could've lived happily ever after! But I think it was an example of you can't change the past. Everything happened the way it happened. If at the end we didn't see Elise in the afterlife, we could've ventured that the loop in time continued and the past Elise grew old and saw Richard again, gave him the watch and said, "Check the coin pocket this time!"
...even in a valley without mountains the wind could still blow.
Sure Richard could have changed things up and asked for a different room. That would lead to alternate realities such as seen in Back To The Future. However, I think part of the beauty of this movie is that their moment in time is endless and perpetual...constantly being relived again and again. We just get to watch it once. So they can never be together forever (whoa, Rick Astley flashbacks), yet at the same time, they are!
But asking why the penny sent Richard back into the present, well, I would first try and resolve the question of "why did the absence of the penny send him into the past?"
If she didn't give it to him in the beginning he might not have ever gone in the first place.
No "might" about it. He wouldn't have gone back if he hadn't been given the watch. Otherwise, he might still see the portrait of Elise, but it would only be a beautiful picture to him. He needed the push from seeing the picture of elderly Elise in the magazine and recognizing her. That set him on the path to realizing that time travel was possible, leading to clues like the Finney book, the Rachmaninoff music box, the talk with Finney and his own signature in the old hotel register. Without their first meeting, he never would have found those clues and would think of that portrait the same way as any of us think about any beautiful old photo, just something to be admired.
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It's the nature of the time travel technique he and his professor used. You can't have anything physical that reminds you of modern times. Presumably with that technique, once you're in the past, your mind can at least subconsciously believe you're there and that the future was a figment of your imagination. The penny was absolute, incontrovertible proof that he didn't belong in 1912.
The penny clearly said "1979", which made him think of his present life and thus ruined the illusion he had created. Remember how he had to dress up and make himself believe that he was back in 1912? It took several tries and a lot of concentration. Once Richard had become ensconced in his 1912 life, however, his present life was a distant memory. However, the 1979-minted penny snapped him back to reality, per se, and he was rushed back to the present.
The professor had told him to remove things from the present from his surroundings. Apparently after he got some money minted then to keep in his pockets and removed all current (1980 vintage or near) currency he didn't realize he still had a 79 penny on him. When he did his sleight of hand at the end, it popped out and then...................
The method of time travel shown in the film is a form of auto hypnosis where the time traveler convinces themselves so thoroughly that they're in the past that they actually travel there. When Richard looks at the penny he sees that it's a modern coin with an, iirc, 1979 date on it. This breaks the hypnotic spell and launches him back into the present.
Unless Alpert's covered in bacon grease, I don't think Hugo can track anything.
Many of the responses in this thread have been good, and for the record I do think this plot point works according to the rules the film sets up. I just want to add that in the novel the situation is more complex, and from the very start of his time-traveling experience Richard does indeed live in fear that a mere thought could push him back to the present. There's a scene early on where he becomes tempted to torture Elise's mother with his knowledge of her future, then he stops himself, realizing it could threaten his hold on the 1890s (the period he travels back to in the book). He reaches a similar conclusion after briefly entertaining the idea of getting rich by inventing something that doesn't exist yet. He comes up with the theory that in order to remain in this period, he not only must stop thinking about the future, he must eventually lose all knowledge of having come from there.
Later in the book, after he has reunited with Elise following his abduction, he runs into Robinson, whom he perceives is about to kill him. To distract him, he suddenly tells Robinson about his death twenty years later. Then Richard runs back into the hotel room. He expects to hear Robinson's footsteps outside the door, but to his surprise he hears nothing. It's at that point that he inadvertently pulls the penny out of his pocket.
The implication, I think, is that it wasn't just the penny that caused him to be sent back--his stating aloud Robinson's future probably helped loosen his grip on the period as well.
Wow, thanks for this Kylopod. I was only five when I first saw this, and even then in all my naivete, that penny freaked me the hell out. I don't know why it scared me so much, but it did. And even today when I came across this thread title, fear still gripped me a little, and then it's gone--just like that.
But even in saying all that, this is one of those movies for some reason I can't seem to stay away from.
~Keep some room in your heart for the unimaginable~
I guess he didn't realize the penny was in his pocket. Which of course is a stretch to think he would have made such a mistake given how thorough he was to think it was 1912.
Bad mistake by him because he knew he made a mistake the first time which propelled him to the present day. He should have been fully prepared and looked at his pockets several times before attempting the time time travel.