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Stephen King is an idiot


He was apparently initially really excited for Kubrick to adapt his book, but he then later complained that the movie had "no heart". Even in 1980 you had to know that Kubrick films are not exactly known for their touchy-feely, warm-hearted human interest. It's like expecting Terence Malick to do a film that is really fast-paced with hyper-kinetic editing. It's like having Picasso do your portrait and expecting it to be photographic realism.

What always annoyed me is the tales he told out of school of the set he was undoubtedly barred from. For instance, the claim that Kubrick and Jack Nicholson were bullying and making fun of Shelley Duvall. If there is any truth to this at all, it could have simply been a method acting thing. But that is something for Shelley Duvall to complain about and I don't think she ever has.

It has also doesn't help that he and Mick Garris did that vastly inferior version in 1997. What works in a novel doesn't always work in cinema. And King isn't even nearly as good of WRITER as Kubric is a filmmaker. If he were a filmmaker, King would be somewhere between James Cameron and Michael Bay, whereas if he were a writer, Kubric would be up there with James Joyce, Dostoyevsky, or Nabokov.

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Not so much an idiot, just a dude of slightly higher than average intelligence trying to criticize the works of a genius. He's out of his league. It would be like my high school physics teacher going on a rant about how wrong Einstein was.

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Except Stephen King is also a genius. What's the top rated movie on IMDb? Whose mind did it spring from?

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So that's what you're going with? Stephen King is a genius? I wish you the best of luck with that.

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Shawshank...ahh so provided material that someone else then improved for a high quality film. Sounds familiar.



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It has to be hard for any writer to be 100% cool with a movie adaption of their writing. Just think about how intense people get when a movie doesnt match the stuff that they pictured when reading the book, and then imagine how much more powerful that feeling must be when you wrote the book and had a very specific idea of what was supposed ot be going on. When the movie doesnt match what you had in mind as the author, its almost an insult against your ability to describe your story to others.

Ill give him a pass based on that.

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Shelley DID complain about her treatment and Stanley fessed up to it.



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Some of you people are crazy. Imagine if you wrote something very personal to you and saw most of that barely touched upon in the film adaptation. Now imagine the entire point of your story ultimately being disregarded. Anyone would be upset over that. If you were in King's shoes, the film being good or bad as its own entity would never supersede how well the film served as a representation of your book. After all, YOU wrote it.

Not really surprised at some of these comments here. Writers seldom get the respect they deserve. Many excellent books and scripts have turned into God awful movies because of a director or producer's huge ass ego. Personally, I really like the novel AND the movie but that doesn't mean I can't also understand where King is coming from.

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Some of you people are crazy. Imagine if you wrote something very personal to you and saw most of that barely touched upon in the film adaptation. Now imagine the entire point of your story ultimately being disregarded.


King didn't write anything personal. Go read or watch the movie adaptation of Burnt Offerings. It's the exact same story with minor details changed. How can a story be personal if it's identical to someone else's work?

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Everyone involved in this movie has the shining. What more could he have asked for?

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So being excited a great filmmaker was going to adapt his book then not liking how it turned out makes Stephen King an idiot?

As for Stephen King saying the film had 'no heart', you have fallen for the classic ploy of taking a snippet of a quote out of context and running with it.

Here's the full context (freely available to all)

Parts of the film are chilling, charged with a relentlessly claustrophobic terror, but others fall flat. Not that religion has to be involved in horror, but a visceral skeptic such as Kubrick just couldn't grasp the sheer inhuman evil of The Overlook Hotel. So he looked, instead, for evil in the characters and made the film into a domestic tragedy with only vaguely supernatural overtones. That was the basic flaw: because he couldn't believe, he couldn't make the film believable to others. What's basically wrong with Kubrick's version of The Shining is that it's a film by a man who thinks too much and feels too little; and that's why, for all its virtuoso effects, it never gets you by the throat and hangs on the way real horror should.





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Lol King is dumb.

"Not that religion has to be involved in horror"..

Who says it's not in The Shining?

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Calling him an idiot seems a bit harsh. But yes, Kubrick tended to make a lot of changes to the books he adapted to film, making them into more his personal vision.

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No writer likes having their work changed.

But what writers REALLY hate is having someone else change their work... for the better

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But what writers REALLY gate us having someone else change their work... for the better


Bingo. This is the only reason why King hates the adaptation. Kubrick upstaged him.

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It's standard stuff today but I do assume that King probably at least assumed there would be changes and probably big ones.

Very Good book. GREAT movie.

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