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Interesting time when the film came out!


I always thought it was interesting how the film was released in 1980. Disco and Punk started to wane in popularity plus arena prog rock started to seem stale. MTV would debut the next year and New Wave and Hair Metal would take over. The year the ultra conservative "Just Say No" Reagan was elected in a landslide over the more laidback (Just like the 70's) Carter and one year before the AIDS virus was discovered in New York, LA and San Francisco (The three big capitals of Hedonism in the US during the sexual revolution of the 60's and 70's!)

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Watching Foxes years later, I am struck by what the previous poster has stated. In early 1980, it wasn't clear what the 80's would be about. Disco was dead, new wave was going mainstream, and the future seemed precarious. In early 1980, keep in mind that American hostages were being held in Iran, the economy was in the toilet, and even President Carter aknowledged that malaise was in the air. I turned 18 in 1980, and I was concerned about the safety of nuclear power (a year after Three Mile Island), I thought we were headed for war with the Soviet Union (they had just invaded Afghanistan and a communist regime had been installed in Nicaragua). The world seemed to be on the verge of war.

Divorce and drug abuse was rampant, and by the end of the year an ultra-conservative Rebublican was elected in a landslide. Did America want to return to old-fashioned traditional values, or did the drug & sex culture simply become more discreet?

It was a transitional time, between the sexual revolution of the 70's and the conservative decade of Reagan, and in this void resides Foxes.

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I like what you wrote! To me the film seemed to reflect a feeling burnout and hangover after such a decadent and crazy decade!

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Considering the ending (the results of drunk driving; swinging lifestyle and promiscuous/rebellious behavior) a sign of the tide changing.

Who invited E.T. -?

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Whatever was hapening at the time, the film is a gem, a beautiful example of what a good movie should be!

Ya never know what ya don't know, ya know?

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The movie was filmed in late 1979. Disco was not really dead yet. In 1980 Disco music was still around they just renamed it "dance music" or house. New Wave and Punk was gaining in popularity and so was that English Wave like Flock Of Seagulls, Haircut 100 and other bands that had a unique sound. If I knew music would take a turn into all this rap crap we have now I would have shot myself in the head back then when things were still creative and fun and light. Things are so depressing now. Even though Foxes has some depressing stuff in it it still has a carefree atmosphere and a world without cell phones, fax machines or computers causing even more social decline. It's a shame we have all this technology now but manners, respect and other social decorum has gone by the wayside.

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But it's official. Disco died on July 12, 1979!

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I also think 'Foxes' is pretty much on-point. I actually grew up in the San Fernando Valley where the movie is set, and I was only 12 in 1980, but I had already experienced much of what the girls in the movie had, including the "cool parents" who would give us alcohol, ciggerettes, and pot. I think back to the time and wonder what those adults were thinking and why did my parents never catch on? I'm glad my own 12 year old is NOTHING like I was at that age :)
Nevertheless, I still LOVE this movie!

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This movie is definitely a product of the 70s, it was even filmed in '79. As others have pointed out, the attitude and tone of the film was completely 70s. I would say '80 to '82 were defintely the transitional years. Even once Reagan took office, there was still a 70s hangover for about another two years. The 80s as we know it didn't begin til '83.

I have the DVD of the first season of Family Ties (began '82), and its interesting bc the first handful of episodes have a very different feel to them - it was 82 and they hadn't quite gotten to the 80s yet. Not to mention they were still wearing designer jeans, watching CHips, and talking about the energy crisis and inflation!

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I would have to agree! In my opinion I would have to say that 1982 was when the culture of the 80's started! To me that was the year when Guys (Guys in their teens and 20s at least!) started out that year wearing flannel shirts, tight wrangler jeans and sporting luke skywaker/Scott Baio shag hair to ending the year wearing dayglow polo shirts, sporting shorter spikey hair and looking more like Duran Duran clones. When girls went from looking like "Charlie's Angels" clones to Pat Benatar lookalikes.

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1982 was definalty the year the 80's started...

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your right. alot of movies that were filmed in 1979 and 80, still had a 70's overtune to them..

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There are alot of films from the early 1980's ("Fame", "Arthur", "Tootsie", "Modern Romance", "Personal Best", "Body Heat" "Stripes"...(Alot of the slasher films from the early 80's.)...exc exc. That seem to still very much have a 70's vibe to them.

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The character of music started to change. Along with MTV came new styles and variations on music. A musical style that we now associate with the 80's.

Case in point, I will always associate Dire Straits, "Money for nothing" with that silly low res music video. . . OR "Video killed the radio star," you get the idea.

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I was only 8 years old when the movie was filmed but i remember how cool people used to dress. I lived for sometime in Utah at that time and this movie brings back so many memories of my childhood. Nicely done movie.


ivan

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I was 11 going on 12, living in Santa Barbara and spending every spare moment with my cousins in the Valley. Those girls were the girls I was destined to be until the big 80s set inand changed fashions and sensibilities. Yet the friendships (not to mention a lot of the scenery) remained the same. Tuning out to Boston... yeah. And I can never listen to "On the Radio" without thinking of this movie. A time I lived through and when I watch this movie can actually go back to.

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I prefer Fame, which came out the same year. Better characters, better music. I like some of the fashion in Foxes but that's about it. The movie itself bored me silly.

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Fame is a much better movie, with a much better narrative. It's not the masturbatory fantasy of a man obsessed with young girl, as Foxes is. That said -- I always get a big kick out of Foxes. Parts of it are so ridiculous and unbelievable I just shriek with laughter. Other parts are tragic. I should make it clear -- my condemnation of Adrian Lyne aside -- I like this film. It just is what it is.

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I graduated from high school in 1978 and the clothes and music in this movie were right on point. The painter's pants Jodie Foster wore reminded me so much of some pants I wore alot. Teens divided into groups that smoke and drank vs. those who went further to smoke pot and do drugs is also how I remember things being.

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I had recently turned 19 when the film came out and it was spot on. Though the partying and cruising happened a few years earlier for me, say 76 to 78.

I found it interesting Jodie Foster's character listening to Bob Seger's Ship of Fools form Night Moves, (76)) and Boston's More Than A Feeling (76). I like that they put those songs in the movie. We use to listen to earlier music too.

For anyone, especially women, who lived during that era, in that place, this is like a documentary.

As for politics, we were too screwed up to give a crap about something college opens your eyes to. Life was about where our next buzz/binder was coming from.
The gas embargo meant we had to take a bus somewhere instead of our parents driving us.

We wanted pure escape.

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Wish I could remember who said this (or where I heard said person say it), but the jist of it was, no decade comes to a dead stop.

If you listen to really early 70's pop music ('70, 71) much of it still had a very late '60's sound. A "Billboard" Hot 100 Hits book I have lists "Another One Bites The Dust" (Queen) and "Call Me" (Blondie) as the overall #1 and #2 songs of 1980 (#3, in case you're curious, is a Captain & Tennille song. Such was 1980).

I graduated from grade school in 1980. Like cherub07 I appreciate the film's use of slightly older songs. One thing I remember very clearly about the late 70's-into-the'80's was "classic rock" (or AOR) stations playing stuff from the early '70's on forward.

As for when the 80's-as-we-know it started, I agree with everyone who said 1982. That seems to be about the time my high school embraced the preppy movement.

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Exactly. Just like the '60s as we know it most definitely did not begin in 1960. I don't think anyone would even deign to say any year before 1964. That is probably the most extreme example of a decade beginning "late."


Also, one has to consider that, while the 70s were essentially a natural extension of the 60s, the 80s had a different sensibility altogether (just as the 60s did from the 50s). Thus, both decades took a little longer than usual to "find their identity."


So yeah, pretty much anything from '80 to '82 (esp film, which is typically made the year BEFORE), is a product of the 70s. '82 was also the year that many of the 70s prime time and game show (remember those?:)) staples finally got the axe. And quite a few shows that were to become 80s staples (Cheers, Family Ties, St. Elsewhere), debuted that fall. Not to mention short lived shows like "Square Pegs," which was every bit "Valley Girl" and "New Wave."


Genlyg (oy I'm botching up his user name, sorry, but the original poster of this thread) also hit the mark (in a very humorous way) when he pointed out that the beginning of '82 = Charlie's Angels and Scott Baio shags, while the end = Pat Benatar and bright Polo shirts. That was an extremely transitional year.


You also have (I think it was around August of that year) a rather infamous TIME cover story about STDs. Ironically it was not about AIDS, which would also start to be on people's radar toward the end of '82, but about the "other" STDs (I wanna say herpes, but I'd have to look it up), nonetheless a lot of people (including the inimitable Jack Nicholson, who should know a thing or a hundred about these things) have pointed to that cover story as a crucial turning point in society's (specifically big city) mores and could accordingly be used as yet another marker of "when the 80s really began."


I don't know why, maybe because of when I was born (early '77, with 2 older sisters), but I find this to be a fascinating topic. And it's amazing how precient a show like Family Ties was, esp when you consider that it was conceived in '81. Sure, Reagan had been elected by then, but, contrary to what the history books may tell you, the 80s as we know it were far from a foregone conclusion at that point. Sure, there may have been some signs pointing in that direction, but at the time most peoole went about their lives assuming that the upcoming decade would just be a continuation of the last one.




What's a rack?
It's a country.

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Ok, ok, I'm not gonna cheat...but was the Captain & Tenille song "Do it to Me one More Time?":)


That year you also had Rolling Stone's "Emotional Rescue" and if that song ain't disco then I don't know what is...


Also of note, which I forgot to mention in the post I just wrote...Diet Coke (and I'm pretty sure Diet Pepsi) did not come out until '82. I even remember the Diet Pepsi commercial "Now you see it/now you don't" one of my first television commercial memories. So, until then, people were still drinking TAB. More evidence that the '80s had not yet begun :)




What's a rack?
It's a country.

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"You will be mine, you will be mine, all mine ..."

The Rolling Stones' "Emotional Rescue" is totally disco, and it's a better song for it.

I've just read an excellent book, "Hot Stuff" by Alice Echols, where she concludes that the word "disco" died but the sound and the spirit of dance music never did. In the early '80s you had songs like the SOS Band's "Take Your Time (Do It Right)" and Teena Marie's "Lovergirl," which were totally disco. You had the Prince, Michael Jackson, Madonna, Soft Cell, the Human League and New Order doing decidedly disco music. Even Bruce Springsteen released 12-inch singles. Aerobicizing, "Flashdance" and "Fame"? All disco.

But yes, this film came out at an odd time, when anything officially associated with disco was unfashionable. "Can't Stop the Music" suffered a similar fate.

I also found the fascination with the band Angel in this film quite curious because they never quite found their audience despite being depicted as arena rockers here, but of course they were Casablanca artists.

1980: What a year!

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Good point about "Fast Times at Ridgement High" and "Valley Girl" as signifying the beginning of the '80s – both as movies and cultural icons for the mall and Val culture.

I was in college in the early '80s, and the preppy look was in full swing. The Izod with the collar up was ridiculous, but it seemed like everyone did it (I admit I was one of them), and some people even wore two polo shirts at a time with the collars up (I didn't go that far). Plus women had the ripped sweats and leg warmers popularized in "Flashdance" and aerobics videos by Jane Fonda.

It seems like a lot of times there's a single event that starts a decade "officially," like JFK's killing beginning the '60s in 1963 or the Sept. 11 attacks beginning the last decade (which I'm still not sure has a name) in 2001. In the '90s, it seems the popularity of grunge and the death of hair-metal was the key, about the time Nirvana released "Nevermind" in 1991 I'd say.

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When Jodie Foster's character is coming to see Scott B. while he is flocking Christmas trees -- the lighting and filming of that particular scene really catches a 'feeling' for me. Same as when she goes to see Madge at her boyfriend's place after the rumble.

I so remember being up an entire night 'doing things', and still having the energy, albeit a bit burned-out, to be transversing the landscape the next morning, a bit hazy and a bit muted after the night before. Maybe go through another day hanging with friends, wind down that night and then just crash (and sleep like a baby).

Oh....the energy we had back then. Mornings after a night of partying could almost seem mystical ("Misty Morning Stranger" anyone?). After a night of partying, it wasn't unusual to start the day off with a nice cold beer or a bloody mary instead of a cup of coffee (not talking alcoholism here -- at least not for me -- just the hair of the dog and one could be all it took to just get a little 'smoothed over' along with some smoke, especially after staying up all night -- you could literally party yourself sober). The only time I saw the sun rise back then was only after staying up all night first. It could be chilly, then the sun would start to rise, it would warm up ever so slightly only to cool again just before the sun was totally risen, and then heat would hit. At least, that's how I remember much of the weather in my small town in Califonia. You didn't want to go to sleep then -- it was a new day and you would start all over again. Maybe go on up to the mountains, hike around, snuggle with your current squeeze, etc.

In the winter time, I remember cruising with friends (usually as many would fit into my car) out in the country with the rain beating down, trying to find someone who had a house or apartment to party in and to get out of the rain. We would throw together all our change and soda bottles to have enough gas money to get us from here to there. At least one of us would be working at some part-time throw away job, and we would usually pool our resources so we always had something to do. You didn't want to be having your heart broken on those days by your latest crush, because sure as shootin' the most depressing music would blare out at you over the radio. There was always someone you knew who had an open door policy. Smoke was cheap. When it wasn't raining, if we all could scrape up enough dollars, we would barbecue and drink beer, and the smell of barbecue in the air still takes me back to those days. And, everyone listened to and appreciated good music in my crowd -- there was never a lack of that. We were listening to that and not 24-hour, round the clock news cycles of doom and gloom and yuck! We talked to each other face-to-face and not over computer screens.

Yes, we were floating around alot back then, but we were young and carefree and we didn't know then how long it would last or when it would end -- people soon start to get married and have kids, start to gain responsibility and get real jobs or go to college -- some don't grow up and their parties become nasty habits -- some don't make it to 30. But, for a fleeting instant, it was all good.



This film reminds me so much of all of that and that is what makes it real for me :)






"I can't stand a naked light bulb, any more than..a rude remark or a vulgar action" Blanche DuBois

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mikhail080^

Thank you very, very much :)

Truly was 'More Than A Feeling'....

And, I love your emoticon.


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"I can't stand a naked light bulb, any more than..a rude remark or a vulgar action" Blanche DuBois

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Re: Your response --

Can't say much more than:

:)

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And, thank you so much for the beautiful compliment :)



"I can't stand a naked light bulb, any more than..a rude remark or a vulgar action" Blanche DuBois

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dag. like real life. so sad. i miss these times...

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I was a baby when the movie came out. But , I think people called Foxes "realistic" and "accurate" & one of the best portrayals of being a teen in the late 70's early 80's.


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