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Who was Luther from the Rogues gang talking to on the phone?


when the movie ended I expected a big reveal of a conspiracy, collusion actually of maybe one of the warriors and Luther to kill Cyrus, but nothing. so who did he keep phoning in and explaining the details of the night?

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There are a lot of conspiracies about who he called, but the truth is nobody knows.

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Probably the big boss of the rogues.

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Well, that is why there is so much debate. One would assume the leader of each gang attended the meeting in the Bronx. So it is implied that Luther is the leader of the Rogues.

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This was the biggest flaw in the film. It must have been part of a sub plot that was cut from the film, and the director flubbed by leaving it in.

In the end, Luther said he killed Cyrus because "he just liked doing stuff like that". So that didn't reveal any information about who he was talking to.

My theory is that a rival to Cyrus paid Luther to do the job. But I guess we'll never know.

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No, I don't think anything was cut; in the original script draft, Luther still places the call, and we still never find out who it was to. (In the novel, it's the Swan character - there named Hector - who makes the phone call, and it's to the gang's social worker, trying to get him to come pick them up. But that doesn't seem to be what Luther's doing.)

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Weird as it may seem, I'm thinking it's either a girlfriend or one of the "Lizzies."

OT, I finally watched my copy of the "Ultimate Director's Cut" last night, and it bummed me out that it didn't have the extended version of Cyrus's speech.

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I always thought it was a girlfriend too.

Still the conspiracy idea is kind of intriguing.

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I don't think that Luther was talking to any of the Lizzies. It's probably a girlfriend of Luther's that Luther's talking to.

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I always thought it was a cop he was talking to.

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Karma struck! Luther got his, in the end, if one gets the drift.

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We dont know for sure but it probably was one of the other gang members who did not go to the "big meet". Remember each gang only brought a small group of their gangs. The whole gang did not come! Luther was using the guy on the phone for info from the street, etc.

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That's the way I've always thought of it.

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I just thought it was The Man.

It's hot... but not as hot as the night Johnny Viti got married...

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....so who did he keep phoning in and explaining the details of the night?
I presume it was the radio DJ. But briefly watching it again after all these years, and in a cursory check of the cast, "Luther" was the same "Luther" in Eddie Murphy's 48 Hours (1982) and this unforgettable and funny and amusing scene ... https://youtu.be/ntGQOqNVVL4 -- "What's happenin' Luther. I'm sorry about the door, man. It looked real painful when you slammed into it ..." - Reggie Hammond

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when the movie ended I expected a big reveal of a conspiracy, collusion actually of maybe one of the warriors and Luther to kill Cyrus, but nothing. so who did he keep phoning in and explaining the details of the night?


I tend to agree with those who say that it might have been someone who paid Luther to kill Cyrus.

A couple things stand out:

1. After Luther gets off the phone, his main sidekick asks him "Are we set?" It's not clear what that referred to, but it could mean they were expecting some sort of payment or favor in return for killing Cyrus.

2. Luther was being uncharacteristically nice and respectful over the phone, at least in contrast to how he was with everyone else. Whoever it was, Luther apparently either feared and/or respected that person.

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While we will never know for certain, I just do not buy the Luther was paid to kill Cyrus based on the phone call.

When he is on the phone he never indicates or says the job is done. He also says that they just got back from the event in the Bronx and that is was a mess. If he is talking to someone who paid them to kill Cyrus, that would know and not need to be said.

As for the "are we set." I believe he is simply asking if the Riffs are looking for the Warriors and if they found them.

At the end of the film when Luther is asked why he killed Cyrus he simply says "No reason." When the Riffs show up he just says "No, it wasn't us it was the Warriors." If he was about to be killed I think he most likely would have pleaded for his life by telling them he will tell them who paid to have Cyrus assassinated.

Luther was someone who simply "wanted to watch the world burn," as someone else put it.

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When he is on the phone he never indicates or says the job is done. He also says that they just got back from the event in the Bronx and that is was a mess. If he is talking to someone who paid them to kill Cyrus, that would know and not need to be said.


True, although if someone did pay him, they may not be aware that the Rogues made it out and were above suspicion. If they were paid off by someone who was connected, then whoever it was would be able to monitor the radio station and likely get whatever information the cops knew. But they would still need to know the Rogues' status, and Luther may have felt compelled to report in.

Plus, Luther would need to know whether the cops are after him, so whoever he was talking to provided him with that information.

The thing that really gives a clue is the manner in which Luther is talking to the person on the phone. He says "Take care of yourself" to whoever it was and seemed far more nice and respectful than he otherwise shows in his interactions with others. To say "take care of yourself" would not be the kind of thing he would say to his girlfriend or his mom or his social worker or a DJ. He wouldn't say that to someone he knew on a peer level, but rather, to someone he considered more powerful, someone higher up on the food chain. Someone more powerful than the head of the biggest gang in NYC.

At the end of the film when Luther is asked why he killed Cyrus he simply says "No reason." When the Riffs show up he just says "No, it wasn't us it was the Warriors." If he was about to be killed I think he most likely would have pleaded for his life by telling them he will tell them who paid to have Cyrus assassinated.


True, he does say "no reason" when Swan asks him, but if he was paid by someone else to do it, he certainly wasn't going to tell Swan about that or who it was.

I was thinking that he might have pleaded with the Riffs for his life, although they didn't really give him much of a chance to say anything before they started pummeling him. It would have required some pretty fast thinking on Luther's part, and he didn't strike me as a particularly fast thinker.

Even if he had told them that someone paid him, they probably would have killed him anyway. And if he survived, he would probably be killed by whoever it was who paid him.

Then there's the question of whether they would even believe him if he had confessed. He already shot Cyrus and tried to pin it on the Warriors. They knew he was guilty of Cyrus' murder, and he had been caught in a lie. Anything else he might have told them would have been suspect.

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I believe he was talking to the Mafia.

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I agree, i believe that he was taking to the Mafia, asked "Are we set? " would indicate that they are being paid. Cyrus "Now, here's the sum total: One gang could run this city! One gang. Nothing would move without us allowing it to happen. WE COULD TAX THE CRIME SYNDICATES, the police, because WE GOT THE STREETS, suckers! Can you dig it?" I don't think the Mafia would favour being taxed and controlled by anyone so Cyrus had to be killed. And when Swan asks Luther he is hardly going to say that the Mafia paid him.

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I'm under the impression that it was Luther's idea to kill Cyrus all along. When Luther did assassinate Cyrus, he also framed the Warriors for Cyrus's murder.

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If you search around you might be able to find an old post with someone theorizing that Luther was speaking to his mother, and the scene has been re-written to fill in the blanks of the conversation.

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He wasn't speaking to the same person on the second phone call

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