Why is it asleep when Ripley is in the same room? Facts about Xenomorphs say that it has both crazy good hearing abilities and crazy good sensing abilities. It makes no sense that it is asleep at the time. On top of that, the ship was making lots of noises, how did it even manage to sleep if it wanted to? Secondly, how did it get in to the reserve ship when it clearly was outside of the ship as Ripley closed it. There is no other way in. This also falls back on it being asleep. it basically teleported itself in to the reserve ship, just to decide to sleep right away? Not important to kill Ripley or anything?
It has to sleep sometime. It had just killed two people, maybe napping?
On top of that, the ship was making lots of noises, how did it even manage to sleep if it wanted to?
That's why it was in the shuttle, not the Nostromo.
Secondly, how did it get in to the reserve ship when it clearly was outside of the ship as Ripley closed it.
Ripley, not knowing this situation was going to happen, left the shuttle door open. She did this when she ran to help Parker & Lambert. Once she set off the destruct system, the alien was standing in the middle, of the passage leading to the shuttle. When returned, after failing to stop the destruct system, it was gone. She assumed, it crawled back into the airducts, which it had done throughout the movie. Not realizing it actually walked into the shuttle.
Not important to kill Ripley or anything
It had just killed two people, the ship was making a ton of noise, it was in no rush to attack. It waited for her to get close, then it reached out to grab her.
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That's why it was in the shuttle, not the Nostromo.
I think the Op was talking about the shuttle being too noisy to sleep in.He wasnt sleeping on the main ship
It had just killed two people, the ship was making a ton of noise, it was in no rush to attack. It waited for her to get close, then it reached out to grab her.
The Xenomorph made no move to attack her on the shuttle until Ripley was blasting it with steam. When she was fiddling with the controls the Xenomorphs hand merely dropped out, but it didn't make any move to attack as it was still asleep until she blasts it with the steam.
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My theory for this is that every Xeno can morph to a queen and lay 1 egg thus preserving it's life cycle , Aliens some what deterred from this but in the original alien this notion as to what the alien was doing I/E preparing to hybernate into metamorphis is worth considering , don't you think ?
My theory is that the Queen doesn't exist in the Alien universe
Except that your theory is verifiably false. The Queen Obviously does exist in the Alien Universe. You may not want it to. But not wanting it to, and having a theory... are two different things.
I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!
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Actually considering I don't acknowledge any movie past Alien as Canon, that makes my theory perfectly sound to me. You may not like the fact that I disregard the other movies, but let's be honest. I really don't give a good goddamn.
Requiescat in pace, Krystle Papile. I'll always miss you. Justice was finally served.
Did the original team that put together Alien have anything to do with Aliens?
No.
Aliens was a script James Cameron wrote for an unproduced movie and then rewrote into the sequel to Alien.
It's nothing but fan fiction with a studio budget.
You think it's gospel to the series.
That's fine. I ignore it and consider it noncanon. Just because you choose to accept it as Canon and state your opinion as fact, that doesn't mean I have to either agree with that opinion or acknowledge Aliens in any way.
I don't and won't. You can spend the next 1,000 arguing I'm wrong--and I know you will--but the fact remains that your view on the series is as much opinion as mine.
In short, all the OCD responses I know I'm going to get from you ad infinitum are pointless. Your OPINION on the canonicity of anything in the franchise past Alien is strictly your opinion, and I see no reason to change mine simply because an anonymous imdb.com poster is outraged someone doesn't subscribe 100% to his views regarding a movie franchise.
Requiescat in pace, Krystle Papile. I'll always miss you. Justice was finally served.
Total retard. That Aliens is canon is a FACT beyond my "opinion"
But I am done with you. Because arguing with you would be like arguing with a conspiracy nutjob, or a Liberal. neither are grounded in facts or have any concept of reality.
I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!
I knew it. The OCD puppet of Aliens couldn't wait even 10 minutes to respond to me and toss in a personal insult.
I must say I'm amused to see how furious you get when someone disagrees with you about the nature of a mildly successful SF franchise.
Wow. A bitchboy as well as OCD.
I'm going to have fun with this.
Since I know you're too much of a pompous OCD bitchboy ever to stop responding, I'm going to bait you in every post, bitch.
Seeing you melt down in your inevitable responses while flexing your internet muscles that serve as the cyberspace proxy of the obvious mashed potatoes you like to pretend are muscles in real life is going to make me laugh so goddamn hard.
Don't disappoint me. Keep up with an infinite number of vapid OCD posts like your last one.
Requiescat in pace, Krystle Papile. I'll always miss you. Justice was finally served.
Honestly I don't see the point in arguing Canon. Cameron had no input into the original concept of the Alien and in fact retconned the whole concept by having the Alien become a giant eusocial insect--something familiar and earthly--rather than an apex predator that quite literally forces its prey to give birth to their worst nightmares--a rather more interesting concept.
CGSailor has every right to consider Aliens to be Canon. I don't begrudge him that. For me though, it doesn't work as a logical extension of the previous film; ergo, I ignore it and consider it an Elseworlds version of the Alien universe. He has the right to disagree, but I'm under no obligation to support his view of this franchise or any other.
You are right though. Most moviegoers don't give Canon a second thought. Ergo, what's the point of tossing out personal insults when someone else elects not to subscribe to one's view of the series?
Requiescat in pace, Krystle Papile. I'll always miss you. Justice was finally served.
Here, here, (stands , salutes and raises a glass) coast guard doesn't like people who don't adhere to his way of thinking His goal in life is to be the IMDB police :).
There is no concrete evidence that it was in fact sleeping. Maybe it was just resting. You act as though it sleeping is a given fact. It isn't. I am not saying it wasn't sleeping. Maybe it was, maybe it was just resting.
Facts about Xenomorphs say that it has both crazy good hearing abilities and crazy good sensing abilities.
Yes. So? It is not required that it will automatically attack and kill any and every thing it sees/hears.
It makes no sense that it is asleep at the time.
Why does it make no sense? What specific fact prevents it from being allowed to sleep at that time? And again... it sleeping is not a proven fact.
On top of that, the ship was making lots of noises, how did it even manage to sleep if it wanted to?
I slept right under the #1 Bow catapult of USS Kitty Hawk during Flight operations. The racket was unimaginably loud. Awake... you couldn't hear yourself think. I got used to it. Slept right through launches like a babe. Amazing what you can get used to and manage to subconsciously "tune out".
Secondly, how did it get in to the reserve ship when it clearly was outside of the ship as Ripley closed it. There is no other way in.
Clearly huh? Just like it was a fact that it is asleep? How was it clearly outside the ship when Ripley closed it? Was it show standing in the corridor outside the hatch when she closed it? No.
When she first approached to board the Shuttle, the alien was just outside the door to the shuttle, blocking Ripley's access to it. Ripley leaves to go cancel the self destruct but it is too late. Returning to the Shuttle she no longer sees the alien so she boards the shuttle and closes the hatch. At no point during this second time at the shuttle do we see the Alien at all, so I ask again... Just how is it CLEARLY outside the shuttle when she closes the hatch?
This also falls back on it being asleep.
You are correct. In that both of your assumptions of fact are false.
it basically teleported itself in to the reserve ship
Oh FFS! Are you really so brain-dead dense that you cannot grasp that it went into the shuttle during the time that Ripley left it outside the shuttle, went to turn off the self destruct, and returned. When she did not see it, and closed the hatch it was already inside the shuttle at that point. Jesus Christ how dense can you be?
reserve ship
Shuttle. It is called a shuttle No one calls it a Reserve Ship, Except it's Brother.
Not important to kill Ripley or anything?
It did not deem her a threat. The alien is a predator. Predators do not just kill everything it can eat as it comes across it. Only if it is hungry and hunting. A Predator is only concerned with 3 things. 1) Food 2) Procreation 3) Self Defense
It just killed and likely fed on one or both of Parker and Lambert. It's got Brett and Dallas being used to create new aliens in the engine room Humans have proved to be no threat to it at all so far. A lone Ripley is not a threat to it, It is sated and not hungry. It has no reason to attack.
Lets use a lion on the African Savannah as an example. A lion is well fed having just killed and ate. It is resting near a watering hole used by many animals.
It is not going to automatically kill every prey animal it sees just because it can see and hear them. It isn't hungry. It is not hunting. Some animal comes sniffing around too close to the lion and it may react, make a roar, a quick sudden lunge at it, scaring the other animal off. But it will not continue to attack, content to let the other animal run away.
We see the same with Ripley when she is right next to the Alien and it lunges it's arm out, scaring the crap out of Ripley but makes no other move to attack, content to keep resting as Ripley moves away. Ripley has to directly force the Alien out of it's resting spot in order to confront it.
I joined the Navy to see the world, only to discover the world is 2/3 water!
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I say f11ck him ! He's an arrogant, people hating ,keyboard glory seeker he has 0 friends! The only friends he got is people who suck his ar5e because he's an internet bully , if this guy ever saw real action he'd react like the piss ant on the stairs in saving private ryan , the guys a drip.
No no, you have it all wrong, everyone else is the bully and he is a victim to our hatred. If we didn't say stupid things that that deserve his wrath everything would be fine, but it is ultimately fault.
Sailors a 5hit heAd we all know it even him that's why the bullied boy has to vent his anguish here on decent people on the boards , he wears his military past not in honour but as a masqurade in the hope it gives him power , dignity ,respect and honour but the little dingy cretin has none of those he is a bitter little bullied boy with a hatred of other people driven into him from an early age . If cgsailor was a dog and it was up to me he'd have a bomb strapped to him and sent into enemy territory so he can learn honour , f11cking guys a scum bag and I got this vibe from day1 long live the great moghul , rajee prajee x
If cgsailor was a dog and it was up to me he'd have a bomb strapped to him and sent into enemy territory so he can learn honour
I like the sound of that, however, I wouldn't send him to enemy territory as I would not wish that on my greatest enemy, Id send it to some desolate area.
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Dude. Don't pick on the Cutty. He gets very defensive about his 'military' past.
I've found that people who go out of their way to emphasize their military background, authentic or not, are deeply insecure people who want to latch on to the mythologizing of the military as a way of giving themselves automatic -- and completely silly -- moral high ground in any given situation. The problem is, it all collapses when other people are too intelligent to fawn over the simple fact of military employment, and drives these "military" sorts absolutely nuts. It's interesting to watch these supposed tough guys try to handle a situation without falling back on claiming privilege because they wanted the government to pay, feed, and house them for a spell.
Nothing wrong with being in the military. The armed forces have given us quite a few genuine heroes, and the military serves an important (if lamentable) function in society. But the grunts who want to bask in the glory of genuine heroes are rather sad individuals, to say the least.
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You speak the truth I have a good friend who was in the SAS , he left after serving the best part of 15 years and joined the police force, he never once mentions his past or the job he does now that's what I call having dignity and respect with a side of humble , CretinG sailor is a loud mouth who would spill his beans to the enemy as soon as he was forced to eat burnt toast , he rides the waves of true heroes and will never amount to anything other than a grammar nazi on IMDB :):):)
There are several explanations about what the Alien was doing in the shuttle. One of the explanations is this:
The Alien was dying at that point.
Of all the explanations out there, this one is my personal favorite. The creature was dying. It has a very short lifespan, and when it was in the shuttle, it reached the end of it's life.
A creature jumps out an egg and attaches itself to the face of a host, and plants something in the host's throat. That creature then dies and falls off. A few hours later something bursts out of the host, grows at an incredible rate and then dies of natural causes, all in a matter of hours. Very, very unsettling. Very alien.
A very short lifespan would tie in well with the alien in Alien being primarily a psychopath that actively enjoys killing rather than merely defending itself.
An Alien that could feel itself to have a short lifespan would have no need to go swooping down on Brett, toying with Lambert. The alien didn't need to kill to survive - and its lifespan meant the hurt and effort wouldn't be worth it to anything but a psychopath. The alien'd be dead soon anyway, as if nature itself has always had it on the shortest possible Death Row. This psychopath had nothing to lose in going 'boo' to the captain and killing him. You only have to look at the alien to guess real life inspirations that might have been mashed up in to its design eg panther, spider/octopus, shark, praying mantis, passive cat. In Alien 3 the host itself too of course. In Alien, there is like an 'Unholy Trinity' of the Alien, the Company, and Ash. Only the faceless money men survive intact, just a little money lost on that expedition. To the film's enormous credit, it doesn't need to do anything but imply how the working people will unexpectedly become fodder for the cold hand of capitalism. Was it a coincidence that Margaret Thatcher came to power that year, something that would have been forecastable before then? Americans may scoff and wrongly claim that this isn't largely a British film with international expertise in it. Still, a 'coincidence' that seems meant to be. The class messages are certainly more pertinent to the UK, the Alien as psychopathic bureaucrat, like railway costcutter Dr Beeching, killing former certainties.
Well just ignore what doesn't suit your surface viewing but the Alien is a psychopath. Perhaps one initially scared of the power and cunning of even its own nature at the point of its birth (it may be looking round for its mother for all anyone knows. Aliens certainly makes the mother central) but quickly becoming fully formed psychopathic serial killer.
When Ripley blasts off from the Nostromo with the alien aboard, it's dying which is why it moves so slowly. She kills it, but it would have died soon anyway. It's like a butterfly
(Fantastic Films #12, "Alien from the inside out", An exclusive interview with the Director of Alien, Ridley Scott, part two by James Delson p30)
... it had found a protective corner of the ship and was working itself in there to die.
In this book, 4 different lifecycles are discussed:
- it's a hermaphrodite - it's a hybrid - it's a rogue - it was dying
4 theories discussed by O'Bannon and Scott.
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I wanted that the alien continually changes shape. When it appears in the machines at the end, it could very well be dying, finishing there its very limited life cycle, maybe even metamorphosing into a chrysalis so that its physical volume decreases so that it could return in the form of an egg and hibernate again.
I read many years ago what Scott said (don't have any links to it unfortunately) and he never said it WAS dying, but that in his opinion it MAY have been as it seemed to have a very fast metabolism and growth cycle. Ergo it may have had a short life span. It was never meant to be so, just his thoughts on it.
If those pen pushers up at city hall don't like it,well, they swivel on this middle digit!
Oh SRS def said it somewhere or another as I remember reading it and thinking, that sucks.
IIRC, he (at least at one point in time) saw the Xeno as having a very short life cycle as it put all its energy into growing fast so it had to lay its seed, so to speak ASAP. I never cared for that thought and I'm glad that all subsequent Alien flicks seemed not to adhere to this theory.
OTOH, when JC insectcized the Xeno, you could say there are many other insect life forms with short life spans.
I read a few years ago on the internet about the Alien dying, and i just though to myself that that is a fantastic explanation. And since then, I went with that life cycle: it was dying. It has something poetic.
The writers wanted the alien to have an extremely short lifespan (24 hours)? I suspect the purpose was to make the alien less unstoppable, more insect-like, more biological.
So the big guy wasn’t sleeping at the end. He was dying.
If Aliens just died after 24 hours then that makes them less of a threat. The crew could have just holed up until it died. I don’t like that theory. I think more likely is that the creature was going into a dormant state or hibernation.
But the crew didn’t know that it would die in 24 hours. They also portray the alien as intelligent (cut the power in Aliens), so it would know they were holing up and act accordingly.
The creature went from baby to adult in the matter of a few minutes. So a short lifespan accords with the rapid growth. Plus, there were deleted scenes where the alien laid eggs with the other deceased crew, So the early death may occur only when they prolong the species.
If you say it was in a dormant / hibernating state, then why did it do nothing when Ridley opened the hatch, looked directly at it, screamed, and made a lot of noise? Why was it still moving so slowly and weakly when Ripley was spraying it with gas?
"The writers wanted the alien to have an extremely short lifespan (24 hours)?"
Is that just speculation ? or have you heard that somewhere?
"How can they cut the power! They're animals!"
no , seriously . Isnt it more likely the Aliens just accidentally melted a power line or something , rather than actually being intelligent? There no other signs of them being intelligent.
...and im not counting them stopping running into sentry gun fire as "intelligent" , any animal could do that.
In fact having to take that lesson about 100 times really says the opposite about them.
Ridley Scott gave that explanation in a director’s commentary or book (or something, can’t remember now, nor do I want to look it up).
He went back on the short lifespan quality in the sequels. But that was the idea for the original.
No, they didn’t accidentally hit a power line. They quickly entered the complex in which the humans were hiding after the power was cut, suggesting that it was deliberate. Why would they accidentally hit the power line? They haven’t shown a tendency to destroy the external surroundings / settings in any of the films.
yeah , its true they havent shown the aliens "destroy the external surroundings" , but they havent shown them reading any books on electrical installation either!
How the hell would they know how to "cut the power" ? Thats human level intelligence - not like a rat in a cage pressing a button for food.
“ But the crew didn’t know that it would die in 24 hours.”
Well, we don’t know that either. I’m not inclined to take Ridley Scott’s interpretation of the Alien as gospel, considering he also wanted it to bite Ripley’s head off and then speak in her voice into the audio-log.
“The creature went from baby to adult in the matter of a few minutes. So a short lifespan accords with the rapid growth.”
It was more than a few minutes. There is an obvious passage of time between Kane’s death and the rest of the crew gathering into search parties to look for the creature. The amount of time it would have taken them to clean up the mess hall of all the blood and disinfect it, not to mention Ash would have likely performed an autopsy on Kane, before preparing his body for burial, could have lasted a few hours to half a day.
If you say it was in a dormant / hibernating state, then why did it do nothing when Ridley opened the hatch, looked directly at it, screamed, and made a lot of noise?
It didn’t perceive Ripley as a threat by that point. Similar to how a predator will toy with its prey, the Alien knew she had nowhere to run.
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Facts about Xenomorphs say that it has both crazy good hearing abilities and crazy good sensing abilities. It makes no sense that it is asleep at the time.
It probably wasn’t sleeping per se, just resting. It knew Ripley was in there with it but didn’t regard her as a threat, and was saving her for a later snack.
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