My mom and I watched the Keira Knightley version on a plane together and agreed it was severely lacking. This miniseries is by far better because of its length. The breakdown into episodes allows for further character development and nothing is rushed. Garvie's monologues, though long, provide much more depth to her character. This version also kept true to the book better than the KK version. As for the A&E version, I have seen it a couple of times but I don't remember it too well. I just remember being ticked off with Elizabeth's character (and I was only about 10 years old!)
The 1995 A&E mini series is most definitely my favorite. Elizabeth's character can be a little bothersome, but so she is written in the book. I will agree that the new 2005 movie was not as good as the miniseries. But then it was forced to cut much for time. I think it's worth watching if I wish to see "Pride & Prejudice" but have not the time to watch a miniseries. But I will be watching the 1995 miniseries more then this one, which somehow does not hold my interest as well.
Elizabeth's character can be a little bothersome, but so she is written in the book.
I disagree. In the book, Elizabeth is described as having a "playful disposition." We see a bit of that in Ehle's performance, but more often her Lizzy seems angry or in a bad mood.
While there are huge problems with the script (and the actress's age) in the 1940 version, I think Greer Garson's Lizzy is closer to the way Austen describes her in the novel. I also love Elizabeth Garvie's portrayal and find it much more accurate than Ehle's. That's not to say that I don't enjoy Ehle in the role, just that I don't think hers is as accurate as others I have seen.
Whether or not you ever like the 2005 film, basing your opinion on plane viewing is not really giving it a fair chance. The plane version of a film is generally poor and tiny, the sounds is awful and the film is invariably edited for time. No matter how badly I want to see any film, I won't watch it for the first time on a plane.
Ok, this is a valid argument. I finally watched the full DVD (not on a plane. I rented it) and was still just as disappointed. It's all so condensed, to the point where I was shocked how soon Darcy proposed to Elizabeth. Of course, I understand details have to be cut out due to time restrictions, but that is why I like this version the best. It kept the truest to the book of the Keira Knightley, BBC, and A&E versions and the lines were almost entirely verbatim. And as I said earlier, the miniseries format allows for much better character development and funny scenes that don't add much plot-wise, but certainly do humor-wise -- such as Mr. Collins' dancing (if it can even be called that)!
In truth, I didn't like 2005 the first time I saw it, but I made myself see it again - and loved it. There are tons of things "wrong" with it, yet I find it quite winning. Sounds as though you gave it a fair shot though.
I was the same way. The first time I watch Keira Knightley version I was disappointed. I hated Matthew Macfadyen as Darcy, but I have rewatched about 5 times now and I love him. He's version of Darcy is different than Colin's but I think where Colin was more perjudice, his is shy...and I love to watch his eyes he says so much with them..now I want to watch everything he is in.
Dissenting opinion-comparing the three versions: 1980 mini, 1995 mini, 2005 movie
This mini had probably the best Mr. Bennet, Mrs. Bennet and Mr. Collins. The actors portrayed the characters accurately without crossing the line to creating caricatures-something I felt Alison Steadman and David Bamber (1995) did. Elizabeth Garvie was a credible Elizabeth, although she seemed to deliver her lines showing a limited range of emotions. She and Jennifer Ehle (1995) played Elizabeth with more maturity than I thought typical of a young woman of 20. I liked Keira Knightley as Elizabeth because, not only was she age-appropriate, she played the character with youthful spirit and emotion. Also, she made the character hers (something I felt that Matthew Macfadyen also did with Mr. Darcy). Case in point: the end scene at Pemberley: the lines about Lizzie’s preferred pet names were kind of corny, but they were right for KK’s portrayal of Elizabeth-even if they were not what Jane Austen intended. As for David Rintoul as Mr. Darcy, he was haughty enough but it might have been done too well. This is where I preferred Colin Firth as Mr. Darcy.
Other characters
This version’s Jane and Charles Bingley was probably the weakest of the three couples. My preferred J & C are still Rosamund Pike and Simon Woods (2005). As for the rest of the Bennet sisters, the Mary here was a virtual twin of the 1995 Mary-with the same dour look on her face and over-preachiness. One of the many things the 2005 director got right was casting young actresses to play the Bennet sisters who were close to their characters’ ages. If hearing and watching the 20-ish actresses in the 1995 mini try to portray teenage girls was tough going, it was even worse with this mini-especially Clare Higgins who played Kitty. As an aside, I recently watched her in the movie ‘Mrs. Palfrey at the Claremont’ starring Joan Plowright in which she played the mother of Rupert Friend-better known as the infamous Wickham in the 2005 movie. As for some other secondary characters-specifically Charlotte Lucas, Caroline Bingley, the Gardiners, Georgianna Darcy, Catherine deBourgh, and Anne deBourgh-I think they were better cast and portrayed in the 2005 movie. Even Judy Parfitt didn’t come close to Judi Dench as Lady Catherine. I thought the 2005 cast was the best overall of the three casts. Also, director Joe Wright wisely left the other Bingley sister and her husband out of his movie.
Conclusion: While the earlier minis were more faithful to the book, the 2005 movie had the more memorable scenes and funniest moments of the three versions. Some of the most memorable scenes: KK/Elizabeth standing at the edge of the cliff in the Peak District, MM/Mr. Darcy walking across the field to Elizabeth, and the night-time scene at Pemberley at the end of the movie.
How do we know that Austen didn't "intend" the two characters to talk about pet names? We do know that, in the 2 chapters following the proposal, that Elizabeth teases Darcy and Darcy learns to be teased. We are also told that Elizabeth is the happiest woman on earth (in her words) and that she laughs a lot, while Jane "only smiles."
This is my favorite version as well. I've seen all 4 versions, but the characterizations in this version are the most memorable and enjoyable for me... Mr. Collins Mrs. Bennett Miss Bingley Lady Catherine Aunt Gardiner Lydia Wickham and of course Elizabeth and Darcy
Oh dear, you men do get into such a state about 'the midlands', don't you?
I know what you mean by the scene with Darcy walking across the field toward Elizabeth being memorable. The first time I saw it in the theatre I swear I nearly swooned. I seriously felt light headed. I think he is incredibly sexy.
This version followed the book more closely in certain ways I was looking for. Towards the ending was one I was most particular to see. After Darcy says, "You are too generous to trifle with me. if your feelings are still what they were last April, tell me so at once, etc." This version Elizabeth replies what Jane Austen wrote, "... sentiments had undergone so material a change since the period to which he alluded, as to make her receive with gratitude and pleasure his present assurances." The Firth/Ehle version, has Elizabeth responding something like, "my feelings have....my feelings are quite the opposite." HUH????? I was SO let down. That was one of the more important conversations that Eliz. and Darcy had, and the later versions totally missed the boat! Another way the KK film let me down was when the Darcy character said, "Are you laughing at me?!" WHA??????? That's a modern thing to say.... not a "Darcy-ism."
Oh, someone mentioned that there was a sequel to the book P+P, but was written written much later by someone other than Austen... I read it. And was sorely disappointed I did. Whoever wrote it, put a modern slant to things and really missed the gist of Jane Austen. The sequel had that Darcy was protective of Bingley because Bingley fell in love easily and he had fathered a child out of wedlock even before he came to Netherfield. Also, after Darcy and Eliz. were married, Elizabeth wasn't allowed to invite her mother to Pemberly. This book contained a lot of really stupid stuff, so DON'T bother reading it.
You read Linda Berdoll's Mr. Darcy Takes a Wife, which used to be known as The Bar Sinister.
I read it under its original title, and it was horrible.
Now, what makes "are you laughing at me?" modern? People did laugh 200 years ago, just so you know.
I've read literally dozens of sequels/retellings of pretty much every Austen novel and some are good, and some are bad. Berdoll's books are among the worst.
My opinion of the "are you laughing" sounding modern was that people of that class were a little more, I don't know.... stoic maybe, or played things closer to the chest.... I guess I would see them just giving a "look" to the person laughing, rather than asking them if they were laughing at you. It was a real strong feeling that hit me when I saw the KK movie, about that line not fitting in. Other than that, I did enjoy that version. I do like Keira as an actress. Would there be any sequel/retellings that you might consider worthwhile reading??
Its so funny, I sometimes consider the three movies as seperate entities, the 2005 version was lacking in areas that were important to me because I saw the longer ones first. However, I believe that they got Elizabeth's character down well, she was playful, witty, opinionated, and graceful. However, its tied with the A$E version. I love those two. My least favorite is the 1979 version. I don't think that the actress did Elizabeth justice. She wasn't as playful and sweet, and a little bland. She just didn't seem very youthful. One thing I love about it however, is the fact that they revealed Mr. Bennets faults, whereas the other two didn't. Especially the 2005 version, like what was that. they painted him as a family man! And he was all over Mrs. Bennet from time to time. like...what on earth! but yeah, in a way, i love all three because what one lacks, the other has. They all bring completely different approaches to the story, and to the characters. They're all awesome in their own way.
My least favorite is the 1979 version. I don't think that the actress did Elizabeth justice. She wasn't as playful and sweet, and a little bland. She just didn't seem very youthful.
It just goes to show how different people can watch the same thing, yet see it completely differently.
To me, this is the most accurate version of Elizabeth I've ever seen on screen. Many people who prefer this version do so because this Elizabeth embodies the real Elizabeth of Austen's novel. We think Jennifer Ehle's portrayal makes Elizabeth seem too old. The instances of Ehle playing with Darcy's dog seem forced to us because they just don't seem consistent with the very "mature" portrayal of Elizabeth found throughout the miniseries. Of course, Ehle's Lizzy teases Jane and makes jokes but her personality comes off so much more mature than the Lizzy of the novel. She doesn't seem to be really in "the bloom-of-youth." And she definitely does not react to Darcy as Lizzy does in the novel. She's very angry and does not seem to reflect Austen's characterization of Lizzy with "a lively, playful disposition" (ch. 3) nor does she seem "a mixture of sweetness and archness in her manner which made it difficult for her to affront anybody" (ch. 10). Elizabeth Garvie was several years younger than Jennifer Ehle when she portrayed Lizzy, and imo it shows.
I have to agree that all 3 have their charms. When I first watched 2005, it shocked me how different it was...yet how well it captured the spirit of the book. I forced myself to not compare it to 1995, and I thoroughly enjoyed it.
I loved 1995. To me (I know some will disagree with me!), Jennifer Ehle portrayed exactly what I thought of when I read Lizzie, even in her physical appearance. Having now seen 1980, however, I think Garvie's Lizzie is the best. She said sharp words with a sweetness of manner. Ehle probably struck me as what I read because she said her lines as I would have...which is of course how I heard them when I read the book. But after seeing Garvie, I think her delivery is closer to Austen's descriptions of Elizabeth.
I also feel that Mrs. Bennet, Mr. Collins, Aunt Gardiner, and Charlotte were the best in the 1980 version, and for that reason, I really enjoyed it. All three had a great Lady Catherine, and Jane. I think 1995 had the best Wickham, although I'm still waiting for the perfect one. I like all three Mr. Bingleys, yet prefer 2005 and 1995 equally but for very different reasons. I loved Colin Firth, I was mostly pleased by Matthew MacFadyen (although it is obvious that he didn't read the book; it was a different Darcy, but not a bad one), and I really wanted more from David Rintoul...although he did grow on me.
But, overall, I have to say I like 1995 the best. There was a sparkle, a crackle to it that reminds me of the book. There were times when 1980 was too slow, and I just wasn't convinced enough of Darcy's love for Lizzie (although I was most convinced of Lizzie's love for Darcy); and there were moments when 2005 frustrated me. But I like all three versions, and I will continue to enjoy watching each multiple times for different reasons.
For me Elizabeth Garvie had the 'fine eyes' that Austen describes.They shine with her intelligence and humor. Her manner is spirited. In my opinion she is head and shoulders above Kiera Knightly with her nose-wrinkling and Jennifer Ehle, who, was too staid. Rintoul's Darcy fulfills the Darcy of my imagination. I fell in love with him at the age of 12 when I first read the book. I even enjoyed the actor who plays Mr. Hurst, the perfect indolent gentleman, contemptuous of books and fond of naps. And I loved Moray Watson's Mr. Bennet. Mrs. Bennet has always been shortchanged. She may seem silly and frivolous, but it is she who has the responsibility for securing husbands for her five daughters, a charge made all the more urgent by the entailment of her husband's estate upon Mr. Collins when Mr. Bennet dies. It is no wonder she is plagued by headaches and jitters, no wonder that she is willing to accept any husband who is at least of the gentry for her daughters who offer no particular advantages as prospective brides to any man other than their beauty (and in Lizzie's case, wit), again not considered particular advantages in a bride of that time. And if she had accompanied her daughters to Brighton, Mrs. Bennet probably could have prevented Lydia's elopement. Her mere presence there would have acted as a check. Priscilla Morgan's Mrs. Bennet is the mother of a property rich, cash poor family who keeps her daughters close. She in involved in teaching them the arts thought appropriate for women of this time and appears to do some of her own housework, appropriately in a household that cannot afford many servants. The one characterization I prefer over the one in this version is Georgianna Darcy as played by Emilia Fox in 1995. She seems more like a spirited but vulnerable and tremulous 16-year old girl who so adores her older brother, has disappointed him, and is aware that she has much to learn about men who pursue heiresses. Emma Jacobs as Georgianna in this version is too solemn and staid. She does appear the paragon that she is reputed to be, but one cannot imagine her impetuously running away with Mr. Wickham, or, indeed doing anything impetuous.
I won't mention any names, but I've noticed that many people on this thread have disliked some portrayals in this version because they were too "stiff." The truth is (and I know that anyone who truly understands Austen will agree with me) that higher-class, respectable men and women of Georgian-era England would never act in an inappropriate (forceful, uncouth) manner in public, or at the very least around someone they hardly knew. What the later adaptations have done is "modernize" Jane Austen's masterpiece, from Elizabeth's disposition to Matthew McFadyen's atrocious haircut in the 2005 film. This simply isn't Jane Austen's novel.
I absolutely adore the 1980 miniseries because it captures every subtle detail found in the novel, and portrays the Pride and Prejudice world as accurately and faithfully to Jane Austen's intention as possible.
It seems to me that in each movie the Elizabeth matches the particular Darcy.
I liked EG, but could not see EG matched up with, say, CF. Perhaps she would go well with MM, but KK seems better suited to him. I couldn't see JE matched with DR or MM. But EG does seem to match DR and KK matches MM. Perhaps it's good casting/directing that accomplishes this.
I've watched the most recent 3 versions several times each. I, like you, find charm in each of the them. I've watched the oldest version a couple of times and have found it hard to enjoy. Later I might get bored and try it again, and maybe it will become more enjoyable to me.
I've recently re-watched this miniseries and I have to say it is wonderful. I purchased the dvd a long while ago and did not appreciate it at first (I was a bit biased by my captivation with the 1995 version, which is the first dramatisation of Pride and Prejudice I ever saw). After a few years and putting the 1995 version on one side, I can see how this 1980 one is much closer to the book, often taking entire dialogues from it. I love how they kept the second declaration scene exactly like in the book, and I love David Rintoul's Darcy. He's exactly like the Darcy in the book; I can see why some people think he's a bit too stiff at times but that's exactly how Jane Austen portrays him and how I imagined him to be when I first read Pride & Prejudice when I was 13. Austen refers to his seriousness and stiffness a few times and I clearly remember Mrs Gardiner saying to Lizzie that she would teach him to relax and take jokes (or something along these lines, sorry I can't quite remember the exact words). The other versions, particularly the 1995 one, tries to "modernise" Darcy to appeal to the current tastes-see the lake scene (which I loved the first time I saw it and now I think it was completely out of character) I also think Elizabeth Garvie is a great Lizzie, perhaps the best. I never thought about Jennifer Ehle's being too old and matronly before, but reading other people's posts on this made me think and I can see where they're coming from. Just like D Rintoul has the looks and manners of the Darcy I imagined when I read the book, E Garvie has both the looks and the mannerism of Elizabeth, as I pictured her. I like Keira Knightley's version too. I loved Mr Bennett, Mr Collins and Lady Catherine in this version. Lady Catherine has some lines which are taken (or expanded) from the book, which I think are hilarious, and this is the only version-as pointed out by many others-where we clearly see Mr Bennett's real faults as a father and husband, much like he is in the book. I wish I could persuade my boyfriend to give this version a chance (he loves the 1995 one, never saw the 1980) as I want to watch it with someone else and talk about it as we watch!