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When do you think this show really started hitting the skids?


After they left Eastland in Season 4 the episodes were really hit or miss for me. When they opened up Over Our Heads, the episodes started going down hill and picking up speed.

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For me, it was definitely when "Over Our Heads" opened. And then they started adding all these new, annoying characters. I stopped watching then.

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After Mrs. Garrett left.

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That was it for me. Never like Cloris Leachman so I stopped watching when she came on.

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This. What's her name is a fine actress (she's great on Raising Hope) but Beverly Ann never really clicked on the show.

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When Edna changed her hair style, started wearing slacks, and taking courses at Langley followed by Tootie's boobs becoming enormous.

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It's funny you ask this. My husband and I have been watching the show on tvland lately and I was JUST saying to him that i hadn't realized just how many shows I hadn't seen back in the day. Here I thought I was a faithful fan but I found out I lied. I started high school in '84, and that's about when I stopped watching. I gotta say that it was either beginning of high school, or it was when Tootie started whining like a baby gerbil!!! Good Lord man!!! She's been driving me nuts!! But now as I am watching...I think when Jo and Blair graduated, that should have been the end, but then again...I am enjoying the ones I missed...so....ugh....nevermind! Lol

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I was already in high school by '84. I also think it was when Jo and Blair graduated or shortly thereafter. I know I probably saw more episodes after that than you saw but I wasn't as big of a watcher then either. I don't even remember what I was watching instead at that time. I guess I'll see the ones I missed too on TvLand.

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I can't remember either, but I do remember my Mom watching Miami Vice around that time.

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So funny thatyou say this. I started high school in '83 and in re-watching the series now, I can't believe how many eps in the series I missed. It has to be at least 3 seasons worth at least. I didn't even remember Mrs. Garrett leaving, so I'd probably long since stopped watching. Funny how time distorts your memory of reality.

Also, fwiw, the pacing and writing on this show is so very dated. There are moments (sometimes full episodes) that are just straight up painful to watch!

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Lol...yeah, I literally CRINGED while I watched the one with El DeBarge in it! What's sadder Is the first time It aired, I drooled cuza the fact he was soo "fly" then! Lol Yikessssss

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>>>Lol...yeah, I literally CRINGED while I watched the one with El DeBarge in it! What's sadder Is the first time It aired, I drooled cuza the fact he was soo "fly" then! Lol Yikessssss<<

lmao, i'm embarrassed to admit this, but i saw an El DeBarge concert at Six Flags Great Adventure around '84, '85. (making me 14, 15 at the time) I might have even bought the T-shirt lol.

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That. Is. AWESOME!!!!!! My first concert was Scott Bail @Disneyland.....I got nothing, no!!!! I take that back!!! My brother talked me into ditching Scott n we rode Space Mountain continuously for probably about 30 minutes! Lola...WITH NO LINES!!!! Yesssssssss!

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Lol...yeah, I literally CRINGED while I watched the one with El DeBarge in it! What's sadder Is the first time It aired, I drooled cuza the fact he was soo "fly" then! Lol Yikessssss


My mom always thought he was just trying to sound like Michael. In fact, she thought he was much better looking than his brother James.

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Yes....I can see that too. I also thought he was better looking than his brother. But for me...my main man back then was Prince*****sighhhhhhh:)

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>>It's funny you ask this. My husband and I have been watching the show on tvland lately and I was JUST saying to him that i hadn't realized just how many shows I hadn't seen back in the day. Here I thought I was a faithful fan but I found out I lied. I started high school in '84,

Agreed. we must be about the same age, i graduated in '88. I'm now watching this on TVLand, and not sure if i missed all these or I just don't remember them? maybe we just had better things to do at that age, or there were better shows on?

I was about to say I'm on season 8, but all of a sudden they just jumped to season 9, ep 16 where natalie loses her virginity, I just read a thread about that one too lol.

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I graduated in 88! toooo crazyyy! 88 is super great!!! Lol. Yes I am 45...but feel 12 most the time teehee😀

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Another 88 graduate here! :D

Watching the show in retrospect, I think it had several small 'slips' over the years, mainly centered on how to keep the girls living together. Putting them in the same room in the first place was fine, and worked. Keeping them in there after their probation was up...iffy, but workable.

Keeping them together after that started stretching the reality suspenders a bit too much. I might buy that Langley might be considered a natural 'progression' for most Eastland girls, but I still found it hard to believe both Blair and Jo would end up there. I could see Jo moving in with Mrs. Garrett and work for her part-time to help cover her room and board, that would make sense, but I found it hard to believe that Blair wouldn't want to live on campus. And I just didn't see Natalie and Tootie's parents agreeing to their daughters living off Eastland campus.

They really started pushing it when Natalie and Tootie both graduated and they were still all together.

But once it became "Over Our Heads".....it was done.

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Yaaaaaaay! Anudder grad!! :) I agree wih u about Jo living there with Mrs. G. The only thing i could figure for Blair is that the rest of em domesticated her beyond her own control....like Wolowitz from BBT says Blair became "ONE OF US, ONE OF US" teehee

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>>I might buy that Langley might be considered a natural 'progression' for most Eastland girls, but I still found it hard to believe both Blair and Jo would end up there. I could see Jo moving in with Mrs. Garrett and work for her part-time to help cover her room and board, that would make sense, but I found it hard to believe that Blair wouldn't want to live on campus.<<

TO magdalene: I only know this from reading the boards, but somehow Jo lost her room and board, so she she started sleeping in Blair's room, which is against the rules. so Blair lost her room too. Blair was trying out for a sorority at some point, but somehow that did't work out. That's how they explained both girls moving in with Edna. Hope this helps a little. but I agree Nat and Tootie moving off campus was a little weird.

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>>It's funny you ask this. My husband and I have been watching the show on tvland lately and I was JUST saying <<

Also wanted to add that's cool your husband watches it with you. Lol, my b/f came over the other night, and I already had FOL on, he's just basically like: shut this crap off. lol. but he doesn't like much of any shows. I think we ended up watching hours of back to back Law & Order and Criminal Minds. he never likes any sitcoms i put on.

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Thanks! It really is cool of him! :) We must be the same age!!!! We're twins!!! Lol
We LOVE NCIS, LAW & ORDER, an ALLLLL the "Marvel" series, but I can't stand Gilligan's Island!!! So...our deal was a compromise. FOL for GI, except now...I secretly think he's got a ill sumpin sumpin fer ol girl Natalie.....he is ALWAYS defending her!!!! Lol... The one when Nat got all snarky cuz she was friends with "Bootsie" was on(we tape em then binge em) & my sweet hubby was on HER side! There she was tellin her best friend'ses (?) touchiest of secrets....and my Man was all, "hey! Give her a break! You don't know her life!!" omg!!!! I told him, "WRONG SHOW BOO!!!! And I DOOOOO know her life, I grew up with her!!! And if you know her so well, why hasn't she "throat-punched" Tootie by now!!!!????" We have alot of fun....
He felt bad and got me a chocolate pie.....yeah....he likes big girls. Lolol:)

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that is not a nice boyfriend. my boyfriend likes the facts of life.

Actually I don't see blair wanting to live on campus--since the sororities usually live off campus with their own house. On campus means you are in an 'institution'.

Like others said though, blair probably got accustomed to living w a group of people in a 'dorm' like setting. And she did not fit in with people who 'rushed' after all. Having to work had changed her. She now discovered that she wanted to work.

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I grew up watching in the Over our Heads seasons (and loved it)!but it was definitely the worst era - Mrs. Garrett was barely there, no scenes at Eastland or Langley. I still think the quality of the show was really good in the Edna's Edibles era.

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Yeah, I still liked Edna's Edibles era. It, at least, made some kind of continuity sense and we still got to see the school. They should've ended it once that place burned down, the Over Our Heads episodes were cringe-worthy for me to watch - even with primetime George Clooney.

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am trying to watch the over our heads years now....did not pay attention as little girl...but most of them are snoresville. I think they were trying to figure out where to take the show/what to do w it. Should have cancelled it when Mrs Garrett left. She was the reason it spun off originally. W out her it fell apart,

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Am I the only one who thinks the Eastland years were the cheesiest? I largely preferred when they became more sophisticated seeming young adults from seasons 6 and up. I'll agree that the final season with Pippa and Andy as Beverly Ann's adopted son was somewhat of a bust, but seasons 6, 7 and even some of 8 were my favorites. Seasons 2-5 (nevermind 1) definitely had their moments, but there was a certain "dowdiness" to them that was...well...dowdy. I prefer the Over Our Heads era of the show. It looked sleeker and more crisp. Plus season 7 introduced the best and most iconic/defining version of the theme song.

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Yeah, those earlier seasons where some cheesy, greasy puberty times. Still looked like the 70's without the disco.

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When Tootie hit critical mass.

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When they were still living together after Edna's Edibles and that kid arrived.

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Never understood Pippa... Why did they need Beverly Ann if these 'girls' were now legal adults?? Why have andy living w them when it would have been far more interesting to have at least one of Mrs. Garret's sons instead.

What were they trying to do, learn how to be in a convent? Geez

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