Parole officer


Great to see that this film is finally out on DVD. It's on my list, although I haven't seen it anywhere. It has to be the absolute best portrayal of how petty criminal's mind works that I've ever experienced.

Which leads to this: I have a question for others who have seen the film. The parole officer is always described as a bad guy. I certainly felt he was an SOB when I first watched the film. But is he? Exactly what was it the PO did to make him the bad guy? Here are the facts: No sooner is Max let out of prison than he breaks the conditions of his parole by not going to the halfway house (Sure he'd been in prison. But if I was to be released on parole and one of the condition was a halfway house, I think I could have gotten through the day without breaking it). And yet the PO gives him a break and let's him live outside the halfway house. Max is not supposed to associate with other felons. So what does he do? He immediately looks up Gary Busey. The PO busts him for the burnt matches, sure. But it's not as if Max is innocent. He DID allow someone to shoot up in his room. And a burnt book of matches in that context is a pretty good indication someone was cooking smack. And he's not supposed to do that either. So how was the PO out of line?

But our misplaced empathy for Denbo and antipathy for the PO is precisely what makes this film great, I think. We get the opportunity to share his attitudes. We blame the PO, society or whatever for Max's problems, but his inability to follow any rule is the real trouble.

I'm wondering what others think?











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The PO was just doing his job. Max is the one who fu_ked up. And when bear went to shoot up at Max's crib Max should have jumped on his ass and got that *beep* out of there. Or at least made sure there wasn't any evidence of cooking. There's no cutting the rules with these guys, you have to do what they say or they'll bust you.

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Watching the film, I saw Max Dembo as the 'bad guy' even though he's the protagonist. (Protagonists aren't always 'good guys')
The parole officer only seemed like a villian in the film because we are in Dembo's point of view. The parole officer was actually giving Max too many extra chances, at least I think.

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In the book, the PO left him in the lockup for like 3 weeks (and said he would have let him out sooner, except he was on vacation). But even Max admits the guy was just doing his job, and that he (Max) has a constant need to resent and attack authority, something that reform school and prison fostered in him.

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The reason the parole officer (PO) is a bad guy is his motivation. He really isn't interested in helping ex-cons reform. He's a petty tyrant and he wants the cons to grovel to him and acknowledge his power.

Remember the first time he and Max Dembo meet. The PO complains that Dembo is late and when Max tries to explain the PO just gets madder. Then when Max says he's sorry, the PO changes his tune: he immediately gets friendly and tells Max its OK if he doesn't go to the halfway house, if he gets a job within a week. This proves that the PO is not really interested in enforcing the terms of Max's parole (which were that he live in a halfway hours): he just wants Max to be humble.

Later when Max finds the PO waiting for him in his flophouse room, the PO has been there awhile and would have had plenty of time to look around and find the burnt matches. But it is not until he learns that Max has a date that he starts looking around to try to find something that would count as a parole violation. This shows that his motivation is to prevent Max from making that date. Its simple cruelty.

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Sorry, no sympathy from me towards Max. First, Max doesn't go to the halfway house as agreed. Second, he arrives LATE for his first meeting with his PO AND compounds the problem by rejecting any responsibility for the robbery that put him in jail in the first place. Third, he violates his parole by getting in touch with Busey. Fourth, he allows Busey to do drugs in his room. Fifth, when confronted unexpectedly by the PO already in his room (courtesy of the Manager, although the viewer has NO IDEA of how LONG the PO has been in the room) Max LIES to the PO about the amount of his weekly rent. Think the PO doesn't know Max is lying about the rate (he was let in by the Manager, remember? Think he may have asked the Manager the weekly rate?). Sixth, Max lies to the PO about the burnt matches. Sorry! SIX strikes is three MORE than generally needed and Max is OUT!

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But the issue of this thread is not whether Max deserves sympathy. The issue is why the parole officer is a bad guy.

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"The issue is why the parole officer is a bad guy."

In the 1970's we used to have about LE personel: *beep* em! They're pigs...Let's kill 'em all"

In the real world- removed from fake middle class morality and media alarmism, the pigs are seen (rightly) as oppressors. If you've ever done a few years behind bars based on the pig,s perjury and on their manufactured evidence you will see them for what they really are...

The pigs are bad guys in my world- and certainly also in the fictional world of Max Dembo. The Emmet Walsh character was a true pri(k- Dembo let him off easy- the P0 got less than he deserved.
Dembo was not altogether crual and pitiless.

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As the old 60s saying had it, Next time you're in trouble try calling a hippy.

All cops aren't bad guys now and they weren't back then. Sure, some are, the police force is made up of humans, some are bound to be bad. But the great majority are decent people doing their best to do a difficult job.

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And it all comes together at the end credits, when Max's mugshots are being shown dating back to year 1954. He's a life-time career criminal, this isn't pointed out much at the beginning of the film. And that makes the ending of the movie great and moving.

A great film with great acting from Hoffman and a catchy soundtrack(great theme!).

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The interesting thing is the film subverts conventional morality. We follow Dembo and see things through his eyes, and we think that Dembo is just trying to get his life together and must endure humiliations from the PO. When you examine it objectively, Dembo gives hints of his anti-social proclivities from the get-go. When he orders a hot dog at a hot dog stand, he tries to leave without paying. The cashier reminds him to pay. Dembo acts dumb like he forgot. When it happens, we assume it's an honest mistake. But when you consider Dembo's future actions, it is a forestaste of Dembo's subsequent criminal rampage in the 2nd half of the film.

Dembo knew that he could fudge the system a little bit by avoiding the half-way house as long as he expressed appropriate remorse to the PO. He even tells the PO, "I don't have an attitude, what kind of attitude do you want me to have?" Dembo probably figures that slight infractions of his parole agreement will not land him back in prison. Prisons are overcrowded, and he figures there are little things he can get away with.

I think the PO was being more than fair in allowing Dembo to avoid going to a halfway house as long as he gets a place and finds a job within a week. Or perhaps the PO wants Dembo to fail, and is allowing Dembo enough rope to hang himself. Or maybe halfway houses are too crowded, and PO's are encouraged to let cons finds places on their own.

The film definitely paints the PO as a sadistic jerk, as he makes offensive jokes about Polish people. He is also overweight and wears ugly clothes, and has an annoying way about him, along with a whiny voice. I will give M. Emmett Walsh a great deal of credit for playing this character without any trace of vanity.

So the question remains, was Dembo destined to go back into a life of crime, or was he driven to it by the PO's obnoxious and sadistic behavior? I think he would have gone back to the life of crime, because one of the first things he does is visit one of his partners in crime once he's free. He does get a job, true, but I think that is just a time-marker while he figures out his next score.

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The answer is simple. He is not a bad guy. However, he is a parole officer, which means he deals with ex-cons on a daily basis. He is also a man of considrable age, so we can safely say he's been around and knows the business by now. When it comes to Max Dembo, he's either a good judge of carachter or a lousy one; I'm gonna go with the former. It may seem to the audience like bad things just happen to Max Dembo, it certainly does seem so to him, but the truth is, of course, that he is to blame for every bad thing that comes his way through out the film. The PO, grumpy or not, is just trying to do his job.

Finally, there is no misplaced empathy, just real empathy (not to be confused with sympathy, which would in this case be somewhat misplaced on Max Dembo). As the film progresses and we realize slowly that he isn't what we thought he was, we start to swing toward the PO instead.

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A big part of what the film is dealing with is recidivism. On the commentary Hoffman says that Bunker told him his character would have been a star in prison. He would probably run things like gambling and the other cons would look up to him. When he gets out he is bascially a nobody who struggles just to get a low paying job. He's bound to hear that his other con friends are making big scores. All this will make him want to relapse.

In the film he's trying to make what for him is an honest effort to go straight. A parole officer like a police officer has something called discretion. Once Dembo tests clean he could let it go with a warning, but instead he leans on him. I think Bunker's making the point that if we're serious about rehabilitation, this isn't the way to go about it. The con should be given some leeway.

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I thought the PO was doing his job by the book. I also thought he was depicted as a sadistic a$$hole. Having said that, there's no need to pick sides, Max was a criminal sociopath. I'm convinced he would have slipped back into criminal life with or without the OP's oppressive influence.

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I saw this film during it's original theatrical release.

@ that time, I saw the P.O. as a bad guy.

I no longer do. He was doing his job. Surely, he was harsh, but one can imagine, after run-ins with a few cons like Denbo, one might get a tad more cynical.

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I think that Dembo was likely to end up prison in general, but it is certain that the PO wasn't helping him. The PO was a self-centered, attention-deprived a-hole and this is best illustrated by him deciding to take Dembo in after hearing that he has a date, not to mention keeping him there longer than necessary. And for whoever said that this was the PO showing Dembo that he's generally going about this the wrong way, I really disagree, because if that were so, he wouldn't have been so condescending and arrogant.

The PO wasn't very discreet in how much affirmation of authority he needed and he would be at it without any regard to consequences for others. In essence, he was a catalyst.

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