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Stallone at the peak of his creative powers (Regardless of box-office)


First off, I love Rocky and Rambo (plus everything else Sly does) but Paradise Alley (regardless of it's failure at the box-office) is Stallone at his (creative) peak. After this, he slipped (all too easily, yet no less enjoyably) into sequels and (primarily) dumb action flicks.

Here we have Stallone, willing to take a back-seat to the action, whilst predating his interest in both 'arm-Wrestling' and 'Wrestling' (which would later resurface in 'Over The Top' and 'Rocky III', respectively)

F*I*S*T aside, It took him almost another 20 years later, to give 'acting' another go with 'COPLAND' (but by then, he had nowhere near enough 'say-so' or 'creative-vision' than he had in 1978, with this movie)

The cast, pacing, script, performances and dialogue are amazing. This is the greatest movie that James Cagney *NEVER* made (and would easily fit in fine with Warner's forties Gangster output)

Stallone was looking to diversify after Rocky, but sadly this film didn't set the box-office on fire (hence, the Italian Stallion returned) but this movie always gets overlooked (which is a crying shame)

The 'novelization' (also by Stallone) is pretty much word-perfect to the movie (with a few more 'personal' passages) and Stallone's opening theme tune 'Too Close To Paradise' (written by Carol Bayer Sager, no less) is another classic.

As much as I love all of Stallone's output, I do wonder where his career would have went, had this movie been a bigger box office hit?

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I am currently listening to Tarantino's audiobook on film history and this film has a chapter dedicated to it.

Apparently this was Stallone's true passion project even more so than Rocky, he wanted to make this first but couldn't get it made so he moved on to Rocky

He said that Rocky 2 was also a bit of a response and outpouring of the frustration and disappointment to the reaction of this film. I agree that Stallone had a lot of potential as a real film maker and it would have been interesting to see how it might have played out had he gone down that road.

One of Tarantino's favourite films and one that ill check out if i ever get the chance

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it was good film but FIST much better.

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paradise alleys is good film but FIST much better.

paradise alley is what i call part of "classic stallone". this is his best drama films from early in career when he do drama and not just actions

classic stallone: rocky 1, paradise alley, FIST, nighhawks. all film have same look and tones. grimy and set in olden times but feel lots of character and depth.

some peoples like escape to victory but that film stink

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I am definitely going to check these films out.

I always thought he started with Rocky, moved on to Rambo and then did the action films, i had no idea he did more Rocky esq dramas.

Be honest though are any of them genuinely close to Rocky?

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no lucia. none of those films i mention are as good as rocky but are still good on there own.

however if you are big fan of stallone then you will enjoy FIST, paradise alley and nighthawks. they are popular film with stallone fan.

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I've never heard of this! I'm going to check it out!

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