jane fonda being in this movie makes me sick.

If you're still upset at Jane Fonda over this, you have serious issues. There are more important issues at stake today and you need to get away from complaining on internet boards like this one. And why watch a movie with an actress you clearly despise? Whatever the case and whoever is at fault here, people have moved on and I suggest you do the same.

Gee, I protested the war at the time, think that Jane Fonda stupidly went "over the line" at the time, and still think she's a good actress who played the role well.

I guess those of us who think that Jon Voight has said a lot of crazy political things over the last few years should hate that HE'S in the movie.

No, I actually think he was pretty good in it as well.

do your research you conservatic nutjob

During the 1960s, Fonda engaged in political activism in support of the Civil Rights Movement and in opposition to the Vietnam War.[5]

Along with other celebrities, she supported the Alcatraz Island occupation in 1969, which was intended to call attention to Native American issues.[14]

She likewise supported Huey Newton and the Black Panthers in the early 1970s, stating "Revolution is an act of love; we are the children of revolution, born to be rebels. It runs in our blood." She called the Black Panthers "our revolutionary vanguard", and said "we must support them with love, money, propaganda and risk."[15]

Fonda has also been involved in the feminist movement since the 1970s, which dovetails with her activism in support of civil rights.
[edit] Opposition to Vietnam War
See also: Opposition to the Vietnam War and RITA Resistance Inside the Armies#Jane Fonda and RITA

In April 1970, Fred Gardner, Fonda and Donald Sutherland formed the FTA tour ("Free The Army", a play on the troop expression "*beep* The Army"), an anti-war road show designed as an answer to Bob Hope's USO tour. The tour, referred to as "political vaudeville" by Fonda, visited military towns along the West Coast, with the goal of establishing a dialogue with soldiers about their upcoming deployments to Vietnam. The dialogue was made into a movie (F.T.A.) that contained strong, frank criticism of the war by service men and women. It was released in 1972.[16]

In the same year, Fonda spoke out against the war at a rally organized by Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) in Valley Forge, Pennsylvania. She offered to help raise funds for VVAW, and, for her efforts, was rewarded with the title of Honorary National Coordinator.[17] On November 3, 1970, Fonda started a tour of college campuses on which she raised funds for the organization. As noted by the New York Times, Fonda was a "major patron" of the VVAW. In a 1970 address at Michigan State University Fonda gave a speech saying; "I would think that if you understood what Communism was, you would hope, you would pray on your knees, that we would someday become communists."[18]
[edit] "Hanoi Jane"
Jane Fonda on the NVA anti-aircraft gun

Fonda visited Hanoi in July 1972. Among other statements, she repeated the North Vietnamese claim that the United States had been deliberately targeting the dike system along the Red River stating that “I believe in my heart, profoundly, that the dikes are being bombed on purpose”. Columnist Joseph Kraft, who was also touring North Vietnam, believed that the damage to the dikes was incidental and was being used as propaganda by Hanoi, and that if the U.S. Air Force were "truly going after the dikes, it would do so in a methodical, not a harum-scarum way."[19]

In North Vietnam, Fonda was photographed seated on an anti-aircraft battery.[20] In her 2005 autobiography, she writes that she was manipulated into sitting on the battery, and was immediately horrified at the implications of the pictures.[21]

During this visit she also visited American prisoners of war (POWs), and brought back messages from them to their families. When cases of torture began to emerge among POWs returning to the United States, Fonda called the returning POWs "hypocrites and liars." She added, "These were not men who had been tortured. These were not men who had been starved. These were not men who had been brainwashed."[22] On the subject of torture in general, Fonda told The New York Times in 1973, "I'm quite sure that there were incidents of torture... but the pilots who were saying it was the policy of the Vietnamese and that it was systematic, I believe that's a lie."[23]

The POW camp visits also led to persistent stories—decades later circulated widely on the Internet and via email—that the POWs she met had spat on her, or attempted to sneak notes to her which she had then reported to the North Vietnamese, leading to further abuse. However, a study by Snopes.com, which interviewed many of the alleged victims, found these allegations to be false.[24]

In 1972, Fonda helped fund and organize the Indochina Peace Campaign.[25] It continued to mobilize antiwar activists across the nation after the 1973 Paris Peace Agreement, through 1975, when the United States withdrew from Vietnam.[26]
[edit] Regrets

In a 1988 interview with Barbara Walters, Fonda expressed regret for some of her comments and actions, stating:

"I would like to say something, not just to Vietnam veterans in New England, but to men who were in Vietnam, who I hurt, or whose pain I caused to deepen because of things that I said or did. I was trying to help end the killing and the war, but there were times when I was thoughtless and careless about it and I'm very sorry that I hurt them. And I want to apologize to them and their families. [...] I will go to my grave regretting the photograph of me in an anti-aircraft gun, which looks like I was trying to shoot at American planes. It hurt so many soldiers. It galvanized such hostility. It was the most horrible thing I could possibly have done. It was just thoughtless..."[27]

In a 60 Minutes interview on March 31, 2005, Fonda reiterated that she had no regrets about her trip to North Vietnam in 1972, with the exception of the anti-aircraft gun photo. She stated that the incident was a "betrayal" of American forces and of the "country that gave me privilege". Fonda said, "The image of Jane Fonda, Barbarella, Henry Fonda's daughter ... sitting on an enemy aircraft gun was a betrayal ... the largest lapse of judgment that I can even imagine." She later distinguished between regret over the use of her image as propaganda and pride for her anti-war activism: "There are hundreds of American delegations that had met with the POWs. Both sides were using the POWs for propaganda... It's not something that I will apologize for." Fonda said she had no regrets about the broadcasts she made on Radio Hanoi, something she asked the North Vietnamese to do: "Our government was lying to us and men were dying because of it, and I felt I had to do anything that I could to expose the lies and help end the war."

Would you judge a painter's painting or a sculptor's sculpture by his/her political affiliations? It is the same thing as judging an actor's performance by how he/she acts in life.

And honestly, if you can't separate film from reality, the actors from the characters, then what's the point of watching movies in the first place? As Alfred Hitchcock was fond of pointing out, "It's only a movie."

And if Eisenhower had supported Ho Chi Minh's effort to kick out the French and help the Vietnamese control their own country, the 'Communists' and 'Viet Cong' would have never existed in Vietnam.

In the early 1950s, Ho Chi Minh paid a visit to the U.S. and read the Declaration of Independence in Washington, D.C. He liked what it said very much and hoped that the U.S. would help the Vietnamese kick out the French the way the Americans kicked out the British almost 200 years before. He also saw the British being kicked out of India as a catalyst for change in Asia.

President Eisenhower refused to help because of America's close ties with France. In addition, other European countries had an eye towards possibly putting some settlements in Vietnam.

The two South Vietnamese presidents, Ngo Dinh Diem and Nguyen Van Thieu, were little more than puppets influenced heavily by Western companies, the same way the Shah of Iran allowed Western oil interests to control what went on for decades there. They cared more about lining their own pockets and their fellow cronies, than they did the people of Vietnam.

However, the USSR (and China) agreed to help Ho Chi Minh, hoping to get a foothold in Southeast Asia. Even in the 1970s after the U.S. left Vietnam, the USSR and China tried to turn Vietnam into an extension of them. The Vietnamese kicked those two countries out as well.

Let's not forget that the entire raison d'etre for the U.S. in Vietnam was a lie. That "Gulf of Tonkin" incident was completely fabricated to give America an excuse to put troops in Vietnam. America should have never been in Vietnam in the first place. However, LBJ was a Texan and a staunch anti-Communist. He hated the idea of Communism being anywhere in the world, and allowed the CIA (which had illegal and secret operations in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia) to woo him into a huge Vietnam presence.

Typical Republican tool.

Jane Fonda publicly repudiated her sideshow role in the war during the very publicity campaign for this movie, on morning talks shows and other media appearances. She apologized for her immature actions of her days as a Hollywood starlet. In other words, she grew up, something you tools could take lessons in.

She has gone on to perform countless acts of volunteerism and charity benefits for people all over the country. What the hell have you done for anyone other than bitch and moan and impede progress?

You and your chickenhawk, *beep* kind make me want to vomit.

-drl

Jane Fonda was young and stupid and totally influenced by the counter-culture that was dominating her peer group. She has since admitted that she was wrong to do what she did and apologized to veterans. And while I totally support and admire any soldier that served in Vietnam, I believe our government was wrong to engage in the a war. We went into Vietnam originally to aid the anti-communist South in containing communist forces. Then we ended up expanding the war and later began secretly bombing Cambodia and Laos. The "domino theory" of communist regimes developing in Southeast Asia was just that, a theory, and proved to be incorrect. The Pentagon Papers proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that our government lied to the American public about the nature and progress of the war. We knew it was an unwinnable war but we continued to engage in it, losing billions of dollars, thousands of American lives and killing who knows how many Vietnamese, Cambodian, and Laotian civillians, and all just so we could ultimately retreat in a supposedly "honorable" way. In other words, we were trying to save face, but by doing so we expanded the war and lost more lives. It was absurd. Jane Fonda was barely a footnote to all of this. If any veterans of that war should be made sick, it should be because of our "leaders" in Washington D.C. during that time, not some gullible actress.

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