jane fonda supported the viet cong, said that American POWs were being treated humanely, declared any US soldier who said they had been tortured liars and called US soldiers war criminals. I believe there was even a photo of her sitting on a viet cong artillery piece that would be used to kill or wound US soldiers.
Then she plays the role of a woman who is in love with a Vietnam war veteran. It makes me sick.
Your a Republican, correct?
shareWhat's wrong with that?
shareWhat's wrong with any of the things you're complaining about?
Was she not correct?
"Do you really think it's cool to hit the sauce with a bun in the oven?"
"What's wrong with any of the things you're complaining about? "
"Was she not correct? "
No jane fonda was not correct, US soldiers were tortured, were not treated humanely and you could not call the majority of US troops "war criminals". If anyone was a war criminal it was the viet cong. Also the fact that she supported viet cong, the enemy, who were also in line with the soviets (who were the real enemy) is also bad, not to mention the photo of her sitting on a viet cong artillery piece.
I bought a Viet Cong hat when I was in Vietnam a couple of months ago. It's the real one that they wore during the war. I love it. I wore it all over Vietnam. One night in Hanoi I was wearing it and these street vendors stopped me because the star symbol on it was crooked. They took it off my head and straightened it. They showed me how it should be. Then they pretended to salute me and I saluted them and we laughed. It was fun.
I saw that photo of Jane Fonda on the artillery. She looked pretty.
"Do you really think it's cool to hit the sauce with a bun in the oven?"
What happened was that Jane Fonda was given pieces of paper with the war prisoners social security numbers on it. She palmed them without hesitation. The prisoners of war have said that in the first instinct, they felt relief. Then, the bitch, went and gave those numbers to the Vietnamese leader again, without pause. She said that our men were trying to do something underhanded. She then posed for camera's knowing full well that these men would be beaten for their actions.
She is a traitor and I cannot believe that an American can think this is OK. If you are an American and you do think this is OK, then please, PLEASE leave this country for a place that better suits you. You do not know the meaning of sacrifice, you don't know what it's like to fight for what you believe in. Please, with all due respect, leave this country to pursue a life elsewhere. Thank you
The POW story was debunked as an urban legend long ago. Hate her, if you feel it necessary, for going to North Vietnam, but please show the common sense to separate fact from fiction.
http://www.snopes.com/military/fonda.asp
How could the Viet Cong be war criminals? You invade their country, you takes yer chances (and please don't tell me we were there to help the corrupt So. Vietnam government.). If the Soviets were the real enemy, why weren't we fighting them in the Soviet Union instead of Viet Nam (another reason the VC couldn't be war criminals. )? And one more reason; war was never declared.
This happened over FORTY years ago, give it a rest.
This will be the high point of my day; it's all downhill from here.
I typically have more patience to delve into telling you why your point of view is just provincial minded and completely wrong but I just don't have the energy.
1. Jane Fonda researched and researched and developed this movie. She was the one who made this happen. She developed the script-- of course with friends who ended up being her partners. She is the reason for this movie.
2. Just because she was anti-war doesn't mean she was anti-soldier or anti America. Nixon has been proven, as well as Johnson (but mainly Nixon) to be weasels that said the war was ending but really they were just bombing everything. So what she visited Vietnam? So what she sat on a war craft? So what she held a gun? I bet you you have a photo of you somewhere holding a rifle in some hunting uniform about to kill bamboo's mother somewhere. But that's just me. She's apologized for that because she didn't want that to be her image because she was never against America. duh.
3. Look up COINTERPRO-- and tell me that that wasn't the government acting as the Gastapo of the U.S. The government smeared her name because they wanted her to be a lightning rod. A lot of people, including vets, didn't like the war-- some ran from it after being drafted. And it was US who lost the war so what does that tell you? It can't be all Jane Fonda's fault. The government has to take responsibility for themselves at some point too. It wasn't jane fonda calling all the shots.
Stop coming to these boards to smear her name some 40 years later. Stop living in the past.
OP - Fonda apologized for her words decades ago, and admitted she had been mislead.
Get over it. It probably all happened decades before you were born, and you're feeding off of the hatred you've been spoon-fed.
being republican shouldn't have anything to do with it. i agree with what he said and I'm not republican. jane fonda is not a democrat she is a communist and has said so herself.
shareSo?
"Do you really think it's cool to hit the sauce with a bun in the oven?"
The Viet Kong were evil. What do you mean "so"?
shareJohn McCain was asked, when he returned home from Vietnam, if Jane Fonda's presence there caused he and the other prisoners to be tortured any more than they normally were. He answered an emphatic "NO"..
First I heard that Jane was a Communist!!
"If you can make a girl laugh, you can make her do anything!"....
McCain was already being tortured to the extreme, every one there was so, how could they torture him or them ANY MORE than they already were. McCain had his arms broken, with broken arms he would be hoisted to the ceiling by chains and then dropped to the floor. Can you imagine trying to stop a 6 to 7 foot fall with broken arms. He was also beaten to near death until he finally broke. These beatings didn't happen once, they happened daily, multiple times a day, for months. Many men didn't survive the beatings in that prison camp. Jane Fonda was and is a communist sympathizer and she has always be scum to me for what she said about our troops in Vietnam, I have never liked her and I purposely try to boycott every movie that she stars in unless she is so far down on the list of Characters that I don't know she is in it. I don't wish evil on her life but I don't wish success either, She deserves NOTHING good until she publicly apologizes for her LIES and comments that she made against our troops....
shareCorrect me if I'm wrong but isn't this message board about the MOVIE and not who's a rep or a dem? I realize there are a LOT of people who hate Fonda (I'm too young to remember Vietnam and all the controversy) but there are PLENTY of political sites where u can go and bash Fonda. BTW--Fonda APOLOGIZED on TV for her comments years ago. Let it go OK?
shareThe OP did not claim that Jane Fonda's presence caused anyone to be tortured more than usual. He stated, correctly, that Jane Fonda showed support for North Vietnam, declared that American POWs were being treated humanely (probably due to her stupidity rather than her malice), and posed for a photo on a piece of artillery that would be used to fire on US soldiers.
There were FALSE rumors that some American POWs slipped Fonda notes for their families, and that Fonda turned these notes in to the North Vietnamese, resulting in the torture of the soldiers. This is likely what Senator McCain was talking about.
True, we shouldn't have gone to Vietnam. That doesn't mean you contribute to the other side's propaganda machine. That doesn't mean you hang out with them and take photos of yourself with their artillery like you think it's wonderful that they're killing American soldiers (most of whom did not want to be there anyway -- see, there was this thing called the draft...).
The Viet Kong were awesome!
"Do you really think it's cool to hit the sauce with a bun in the oven?"
......right beside pol pot and stalin right? You are an idiot.
with this statement, you have proved yourself a disgusting piece of navel lint.
you are not important. you're just disgusting.
you're not funny. you're disgusting.
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I'm a Vietnam veteran. Like most people who take the position you're taking, you know very little about why we were there or what happened there. The Viet Cong were not evil. They were one side of a civil war we had no business interfering with. They were fighting for their country in a more real sense than the idiot South Vietnam army. There was never a tie to Russia or any "international communist conspiracy." That was a lie to get us there. Unfortunately for 50,000 of our soldiers, it worked.
"The value of an idea has nothing to do with the honesty of the man expressing it."--Oscar Wilde
Communists ARE evil. Man you are damaged!
shareThe Viet Kong were no more evil than the Americans and their South Vietnam puppets -
shareBefore you condemn anyone as evil, learn to spell their name. It's Viet Cong. And it was THEIR country being pillaged, raped, bombed, strafed and invaded. Whose evil again?
shareHow so? We were in THEIR country and not behaving very well.
shareGet over it.
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She talks in her book about how she thought it was wrong that the Americans were bombing villages in Vietnam killing innocent Vietnamese people.
I agree that it's devastating.
But what about the fact that Vietnamese citizens used to strap bombs to young children, make them run up to US soldiers and hug them only to blow them both up?
Whether you're a Democrat or a Republican is irrelevant...in this case there is no right or wrong. It's too subjective.
As said by the previous person..it is very subjective..
everyone has to get one thing clear: You just can't say that one side was good and the other side was bad. both sides had done some questionable things and both sides suffered loss.
Don’t judge me based on your ignorance
Except that one side should have never been there to begin with.
One side were foreign invaders.
"Do you really think it's cool to hit the sauce with a bun in the oven?"
Are you by any chance talking about the Soviet backed North Vietnamese/Viet Cong who invaded South Vietnam.
shareThe division of Vietnam was forced on them by the outside world. They didn't recognize it. The main thing on the minds of the NVA and the VC was reunion of their country. France was the original invading foreign influence, and we took over from them. Notice the country did reunite shortly after we got out of there. As a Vietnam Vet I saw things done by our side as well as theirs that could fittingly be called inhuman.
"The value of an idea has nothing to do with the honesty of the man expressing it."--Oscar Wilde
"""Except that one side should have never been there to begin with.
One side were foreign invaders. """
"Do you really think it's cool to hit the sauce with a bun in the oven?"
BravO!! A lotta peOple gOt thOse sentiments wOrldwide....And thOse same mistakes keep gettin repeated,eh? iraq & afghanistan...
And yea...i really do think its cOol to hit that bun,ya!
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My 200 dollar Columbia jacket was made in Vietnam. Who won this war???
shareSo tell me were you even born during the Viet Nam war? It was a far different time.. to judge another for what they did.. WE ALL were against an undeclared, illegal war... a war that had the draft..where my generation of young men, 58,000 plus died for what??? My husband's name is on the wall.. I still don't know what he died for? The movie is great.. I first saw it in the theater's the year it came out. It represents a lot of what our Vet's went thru after they came home. Was fonda right for saying the things she did.. probably not.
But My husband.... and now my son fight for her right to say and visit where we please.. It was a movie for chrissakes.. a movie that won a LOT of Academy Awards.. of course Hollywood is by and large Democrat and fairly liberal..
I am truly tired of those who were not born during that time or are the children of Viet Vets having the temerity to judge.. unless you were there, in the streets or married/living with a Viet Vet... I spent 22 yrs as a VA nurse working with Vets from that war... you cannot imagine how it was.. the fact that you chose to nitpick makes me even sicker than it makes you to see a woman making a living..
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That's not entirely fair though. How long do we have to wait before we get to have an opinion about something that happened before we were born? There's very few people left who remember World War I, does that mean only they have the right to comment on it? Isn't the purpose of education to go and learn about something, gather facts, and then create an opinion based on those facts? What's point if when we do form our opinions, they're negated because we weren't there for the original act?
Bender: I was God once.
God: Yes, I saw. You were doing well until everyone died.
The movie is sympathetic toward veterans and insightful of how the government let them down. Yet because of what she did during the war, you seem to be missing all that.
When she went to Hanoi, it was a case of yet another famous person being against the war. It got publicity for a few days and then dropped out of the news because of other things that were going on. It was pretty much shrugged off, because so many people were expressing their opposition to the war in many outrageous ways. Movie star goes to Hanoi and expresses support for the commies. Big deal. What else is new.
Thank Rush Limbaugh for making it such a big deal, especially with people who didn't serve.
If you went, welcome home.
If you didn't, shut up.
God, I feel so sorry for people who cannot separate their own personal prejudices from artistic achievement. Whatever your feelings about Jane Fonda, why would you let them influence your appreciation of her amazing work in this film. If we were to find out all the political leanings, follies of youth and private habits of artists, I'm sure we'd be shocked at who we love and then how we feel about them. It's time to grow up and get over Fonda's feelings and behaviour toward the Viet Nam war. It's long been established that the war was a mistake, a tragic waste of American (and other) life, a political lie and tool, and one of the really dark hours in our nation's history. To fail to appreciate Coming Home for the incredibly moving, patriotic, beautiful film that it is is such a shame.
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God I feel so sorry for people who obviously don't care about our American soldiers. Jane Fonda traveled to Vietnam and saw American POWs. They tried to give her their social security numbers written on pieces of paper so that she could take them back to the states and their families would know that they were alive. Instead she gave those slips of paper with their social security numbers to the Viet Cong and those soldiers were executed. As far as I am concerned, Jane Fonda may be a good actress but she is nothing more than scum.
shareGod I feel so sorry for people who obviously don't care about our American soldiers. Jane Fonda traveled to Vietnam and saw American POWs. They tried to give her their social security numbers written on pieces of paper so that she could take them back to the states and their families would know that they were alive. Instead she gave those slips of paper with their social security numbers to the Viet Cong and those soldiers were executed. As far as I am concerned, Jane Fonda may be a good actress but she is nothing more than scum.
shareAccording to Wikipedia:
The POW camp visits also led to persistent stories—decades later circulated widely on the Internet and via email—that the POWs she met had spat on her, or attempted to sneak notes to her which she had then reported to the North Vietnamese, leading to further abuse. However, interviews with two of the alleged victims specifically named in the emails, found these allegations to be false as they had never met Fonda.
So no, she didn't report those people to the Vietnamese. She did pass on the messages to the families of POWs, however.
Some people might say that Voight who is now a Neo-Con getting an Oscar for this type of film makes them sick!
Its that man again!!
I can see where you are coming from. I have mixed feeling about Jane Fonda, as she does about
that act. It was a strange time when people at least did something, not like now where everything
is disinformation and no one knows what to think or believe unless it is to blindly have faith and
trust whatever it is that you trust. Fonda was not alone and to this day we have no idea what the
Viet Nam war was about ... even McNamara who ran the damn thing says it was a mistake.
When you kill hundreds of thousands of people and destroy whole parts of countries ... that makes
the word mistake just too small.
People's lives and the truth are more important than the superficial facade you are trying to shine
up about the US military. The military is a great tool that we have built to maintain and spread our
freedom - that has been mostly or at least very misused. Sort of the theme of this movie.
I don't know how many dozen times she has to apologize for what she admits now was a mistake in judgement (posing on anti aircraft artillery, etc.) but she was right to be in the anti-war movement then and so were the rest of us.
If the OP would like to be 'sick' about something...I would recommend doing a little research about the My Lai massacre. Lt. Calley is more sickening by far than anyone in the antiwar movement could ever be. The sight of a small child running down a dirt road having been napalmed is something that should never have happened. Children's faces are not supposed to be fused to their tiny chests because adults like to profit from war.
COMING HOME is a solid film and along with others like APOCALYPSE NOW it helped people overcome the brainless notion of the time 'My Country...Right or Wrong' and I think helped hastened the end of the debacle, which is what Ms. Fonda and others had in mind at the time regardless of missteps and ill thought-out isolated events.
...........Hate is the essence of weakness in the human mind...........
The war was not what is seemed to be I think. The funneling of minorities into the infantry, the heavy sustained casualties, it was like we did not even want to win ,or did not know what we were doing. Here is has been 6 years in Iraq and 4000 casualties, we have 50,000 soldiers killed in Viet Nam. Unebelievable that Americans put up with that.
It is scary how much pictures can change or set perceptions. The pictures of Palestinians in the Middle East make the war there all about Israel, which I think the exact opposite of what that situation is about.
Jane Fonda is a Bunt
I don't agree with this war but you should never bash the troops
Jane Fonda is a lady who made mistakes when she was a girl and apologized for them when she grew up. I hope people are more forgiving of whatever youthful mistakes you made than you are toward Jane. WWJD?
"The value of an idea has nothing to do with the honesty of the man expressing it."--Oscar Wilde
Her being in this movie may make her look like a hypocritical commie pinko, but at least, she did an outstanding job in it.
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