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What Did Uncle Owen Know???


What did Uncle Owen know about the fate of Anakin?

We know that he knew Anakin was a Jedi, and was fighting in the Clone Wars. Then one day, after the war was over and the Empire had been created, and the Jedi were outlawed and killed, another Jedi whom he never met before shows up with a baby that he said was Anakin's son. We know he tells Luke that Anakin was a navigator on a spice freighter. Obi-Wan tells Luke that his Uncle didn't think Anakin should have gone and gotten involved, and was afraid Luke would follow Obi-Wan like his father did. The dinner conversation between Beru and Owen confirms this.

But what did Owen actually know, and what did he think was true? Did he know that Anakin was now Vader? Or did he think Anakin had been killed with the rest of the Jedi during Order 66. And did he even know that Vader existed, or that Luke was a twin? Also I'm guessing he assumed Padme was the mother, and she had died during child birth. But was he told that he could never tell anybody that it was her child, and the rest of the galaxy needs to believe that she never gave birth to the child she was pregnant with.

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So...there's a lot of potentials, but let's see if we can reduce the variables.

In Episode II, Anakin reconnects with his family on Tatooine and meets Owen and Beru. Padme's with him, right? So, I think Owen and Beru know that Padme is the mother. They would assume, anyway.

Because of Episode IV's dialogue, we know that Owen does not want Luke to become like his father. That *might* mean that Owen thinks Anakin was adventurous, hot-shot, and vainglorious - typical hero type. In fact, I'd guess that's what the original line maybe meant - that Luke would go off and get himself killed. Of course, that's speculation.

Here's why I think they didn't know: Beru doesn't say "He has too much of his father in him," with any sort of dread. She's almost got a, "Boy's will be boys, Owen, he wants to fly amongst the stars and have adventures!" vibe. Her tone does not suggest that she knows what's what.

Combine that with Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan took the "betrayed and murdered" story and ran with it. He probably fed that line to Beru and Owen so that they a) wouldn't think Luke could go all "Dark Side" and flip out and kill them, and b) maintain the integrity of his story. I think Obi-Wan might have felt that Anakin was "murdered" by the Dark Side, and didn't consider it to be much of a lie at all. I bet Obi-Wan warned them of Vader, but just said Vader was Palpatine's new flunky/ right-hand Sith man.

You know, I never thought about this until you brought it up. My knee-jerk reaction was to say, "Yeah, he knew," but when thinking about the evidence, I think maybe Owen didn't know squat.

He knew (or guessed):
Anakin was gone
Luke was Anakin's son
Padme was the mother

He thought:
Anakin was dead
Luke was a singleton.

I bet Obi-Wan left out the twin thing, too. That way Owen and Beru would never make a dumb move, like reaching out to the Royal Family of Alderaan for help, which would have exposed both twins.

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Good question! I see 2 issues-

George Lucas deciding to make Darth Vader Luke's father _after_ ANH,

Neither Annakin nor Padme having siblings, so technically Owen and Beru weren't related to Luke.

So I am making an assumption based what's in the movies: Obi-Wan finds a husband/wife who want to adopt a kid, tells them that he's the son of the best pilot in the galaxy who was killed by Darth Vadar in an act of betrayal. Then deliberately lurks in the background keeping the truth a secret otherwise the shit would hit the fan. The term 'white lie' springs to mind.

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So, I know that Lucas didn't pull the trigger on a lot of plot points until later, and he clearly revised it a lot and made it up as he was going along (his penchant for saying, "This was all planned out ahead of time...er...uh...I promise!" makes J.J. Abrams' appointment to direct Episodes VIII and IX a little more appropriate...) That doesn't affect what we know of the story, though.

Assuming only ANH is canon, there's no reason to doubt that Luke is related to them. It never comes up that Owen and Beru aren't related, Obi-Wan even refers to them as relatives, "That's your uncle talking!" It's not impossible that Owen was Anakin's brother.

Assuming only the OT is canon, I'd still assume Owen was Anakin's brother. Frankly, this is kinda my own imaginary world right now, because I do only respect the OT and my headcanon ends there. So, as far as I'm concerned, this is true.

Now, I stand by this: Owen didn't know Vader was Anakin. I would again point to Beru's line, "He has too much of his father in him." It's said with a tenderness and sweetness that just wouldn't be there if these two were aware that Anakin fell to the Dark Side and became Vader.

So, what about Lucas changing the story as he went along? That would explain the line discrepancy. True, but other plot holes were stop-gapped to some extent in ESB. "A certain point of view," is used to cover over why Obi-Wan lied about Anakin's fate. (I think there were other reasons about what Obi-Wan felt Luke could handle).

Based on what's in the first film, I would assume Anakin is dead. Now, if you want to doggedly stick to "Only ANH is canon," more power to you - but then the whole argument is pointless because you wouldn't even think Vader was the same person as Luke's father anyway.

Unless I've missed your point entirely here...?

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That's my point entirely... more so, it's difficult to determine what is canon if parts of it appear contradictory when more and more movies are bought into the mix. But... what indication is there in the movies that Anakin had a brother?

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Taken as an all-in thing? None. In fact, it's "canon" that Owen is only a half- or step-brother, right? It's been AWHILE since I've seen Ep.II (this is a strong life choice).

If we just consider ANH alone, though, we can either think that Owen is Luke's real, actual uncle, or that it's all just a ruse thrown up by Obi-Wan. Again, I'd point to Beru's line delivery. At the very least, that line sounds like she knew Anakin in person. Frankly, it sounds like she knew Anakin a lot better than she actually did, given the prequels (then again, Obi-Wan remembers Anakin a lot more fondly than he should given the prequels, too; just a a couple reasons why I reject the PT).

At the bare minimum, I don't think it's a stretch to assume that Owen and Beru are "Aunt and Uncle" the way that a lot of really close family friends are referred to as "Aunt and Uncle" by each other's kids; they've got a tight bond. I'm just going off of the way that Owen and Beru speak of Anakin and Luke's taking after his father. It's too familiar and filled with nostalgia and emotion to be born of ignorance completely. Maybe they aren't blood, but they *knew* each other - at least as A New Hope seems to play things. I don't think it's unreasonable to infer that Owen is Anakin's brother.

Since ANH was the OG of the OT, I say it's word is good.

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I'm sticking with the OT as legit, warts and all. Everything else is trash.

Does make me wonder tho... If Lars really was Anakin's brother, did Anakin/Vadar know his troops killed him?

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Vader had slipped so far down the dark path at that time that it wouldn't surprise me if *he* killed him.

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Owen didn't know anything. When the movie was made, Vadar was not Lukes father. The idea to become his father was made during the making in episode 5.

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No shit Sherlock. Thanks for being "that guy" who has to point out that Lucas didn't have anything planned beyond this movie when he made it.

But since all the other movies have been made, and we do know that Vader was once Anakin Skywalker and Luke's father, feel free to offer your opinion on these questions. Since it's an opinion it can't be wrong, provided it meshes with what we do know from the movies.

What did Owen know for fact about Anakin?
What did he believe happened?
What were his motives for lying to Luke?

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The entire saga is a work of fiction. No scenes were ever filmed or discussed regarding what Owen knew about Anakin. You are asking a question about something that has never happened

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No this saga is based on true events and it takes place in our universe, just in a galaxy far far away. Literally every Star Wars movie tells us that before the opening crawl. Do you even pay attention?

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"No shit Sherlock. Thanks for being "that guy" who has to point out that Lucas didn't have anything planned beyond this movie when he made it."

I don't know if I agree with this fully. I think Lucas had a planned out story in his mind but had not got the details storted out yet; I get the impression that it was intended that Luke be Vader's son but the idea was mostly scrapped for that first movie (there was just no way to fit it in to a single self contained adventure that the first movie was designed to be; stand alone). This is why though there is no real indication of Luke's father being Vader; it still managed to fit organically into Empire Strikes Back without much issue; but that could be a result of the extremely good execution of ESB itself.

The one that I think was not planned with Leia being the twin sister. I don't buy for a second Lucas had that in mind for the 1st to films when he had obvious romantic attraction going on between them.

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I honestly do not think he did. I think, by the time A New Hope takes place Owen was used to having Luke there to help and wanted to keep him there. By telling Luke his father was dead made keeping Luke there easier as he did not have the desire to find his father.

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Owen Lars of the OT is obviously not the Owen Lars of the Prequels.

I choose to believe that he was Luke's biological Uncle and that he and Anakin, both idealists, at some point had a parting of the ways due to Anakin beginning to head down a dark path. He removed himself from involvement with the Jedi and the clone wars and decided to take up an anonymous life on Tatooine with Beru. Probably blamed the Jedi - maybe correctly - for how Anakin turned out.

He landed up taking care of Luke and begrudgingly knew and accepted Obi-Wan being in the vicinity knowing he was trying to make amends for his previous failure with his family.

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Considering that Obi-Wan was undoubtedly VERY selective about the sort of truth he told Lars Owen...

What does Owen know? He knows his stepbrother was a Jedi, who was a jerk in person and who massacred a whole village of Sandpeople, and left Owen and the other locals to deal with the consequences. Ya think the Sandpeople might have retaliated against the other humans, not caring that the actual killer had left the planet? You think that might have been a problem for someone like Owen, who lived in an isolated farmhouse on the edge of the Sandpeople's desert? So Lars's personal experience with Luke's father would have led him to conclude that Anakin was thoughtless, violent, unstable, selfish, stupid, and didn't give a rat's ass about ordinary people.

I don't think he knew that Anakin had become Vader, if he had, he'd never have agreed to keep Luke and let him run around in public. I think Lars assumed that Anakin had died with all the other Jedi and good riddance, and Obi-Wan never told him otherwise.

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The entire saga is a work of fiction. No scenes were ever made or discussed about the sand people retaliating against other humans for what Anakin did to them

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The idea that the Sandpeople retaliated is an assumption on my part, and a reasonable one.

Every fan makes guesses and assumptions about what happens in the Star Wars universe, away from the camera.

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Seems like reasonable speculation to me. Of course, the whole idea of lets hide Luke right where Darth Vader grew up, with Anakin’s family, is a bit suspect. I don’t see how Vader never looked there.

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Well, Vader wasnt the brightest bulb in the Imperial lamp.

No, really, think about it. Anakin was a dolt, and becoming a Sith didn't make him any smarter.

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Vader once said the name Anakin Skywalker meant nothing to him. He and Palpatine even talk about “the son of Skywalker” as if it were some other dude. Seems like he would have no interest in going back there.

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The reason why Luke was on the same planet where Anakin grew up and even kept the Skywalker last name is because Lucas didn't write it up yet that Luke was his son till the makings of episode 5. It had nothing to do with Anakin not being smart or not

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i wonder if luke went by luke lars on the farm, but because his father stuff came up again with obi wan he started calling himself luke skywalker.

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Nonsense. Nothing was ever depicted on screen or talked about claiming that Luke used the last name of Lars.

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true. but when was the first time he addressed himself as luke skywalker ? i though maybe when he sees leia in the cell. but maybe he says it to 3p0 ?

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Why would he introduce himself as Skywalker to leia in the cell if he wasn't going by the Skywalker name while on Tatoonie? He was known by all on Tatoonie as Luke Skywalker. During this time, he was not Vadars son. If Lucas had to do it all over again, of course Luke would have been using a different last name, and the Skywalker last name would be unknown to him

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i thought maybe obi wan says his father's name was anakin skywalker, i guess that happens in empire. i thought maybe luke skywalker was more impressive to tell a girl your name was rather than luke lars, i'm here to rescue you.

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Obi Wan told Owen who the baby was at the end of episode 3. If Lucas created these movies in order beginning with episode 1, then obviously Luke would be known as Luke Lars in episode 4

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Owen knew that Anakin built the secret Sith lord C3P0. C3P0 used mind control to get Owen to pick him from the Jawas, called in the stormtrooper raid on the house, and acted as a tracking device aboard the Millennium Falcon leading the Death Star to the secret rebel base.

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I do not think he did know that Anakin was Darth Vader. I think Obi Wan lied to Owen to insure Luke was safe. His Uncle was obviously prejudice against the Jedi who he blamed for the death of Anakin and for the rise of the empire.

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One thing that's important to realize is, Owen and his family lived on a farm that was way out in the desert, probably few hours' ride from the nearest town or Anchorhead by hovercraft, so he wouldn't have heard very much news of what was going on in the greater galaxy, save for the times he went into town to sell water, had travelers visit once in a long while, or talk to the Jawa traders. Even then, civilians such as him were not always privy to what the Republic army was doing during the Clone wars, and he would have heard even less from the Empire's doings.

Based on what we saw in Episode II, he knew Shmi Skywalker as his stepmother. He was a teenager at the time, and already had Beru as a girlfriend. He knew about his stepmom being kidnapped, and he knew he had a stepbrother named Anakin who had gone off to become a Jedi. He also got to meet Anakin and Padmé in person when they came to the Lars homestead to find Shmi. However, most of the talking was done between Cliegg and Anakin. He mostly just witnessed what was going on from the background.

I think Anakin and Padmé did tell the Lars family that Anakin had attempted to rescue his mom, and that she died at the hands of the Sand People; but Padmé probably had Anakin omit the part where he slaughtered the whole tribe in revenge. That wouldn't have gone over well with their hosts.

Owen would have certainly heard about the Clone Wars, and snippets about the Jedi fighting the Separatists. Chances were, he figured out that Anakin was one of the Jedi warriors spearheading that effort. However, I doubt he ever knew Anakin's ultimate fate of becoming Vader. Now he knew that Luke was the son of Anakin Skywalker, and he was more than happy to raise the baby with Beru as his "nephew" (though he was technically his "step-nephew"), but again, I doubt he was told what happened in the Clone Wars or on Mustafar. It was already too painful for Obi-Wan at the time, and the less people who knew, the better.

In Episode III, we don't hear hardly any dialogue in the scene where Obi-Wan brings baby Luke to the homestead, though he probably just told the Lars family that the child's dad had died in the war, his mom had died in childbirth (not really naming who she was, though I have a feeling they knew it was Padmé) and the kid needed a family to raise him. Owen had every reason not to want Luke to one day grow up and get involved with anything relating to the greater galaxy, simply because it was what led to his dad's "death," so he probably made up that whole story on his own to make Luke's dad sound less interesting and fantastical than he truly was.

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