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This film was wasted with American actors!!!


This film was in dire need of an all British cast. At the very least a cast which could put on an upper class British accent. Better still would have been a cast who had a good French accent or perhaps a French cast which spoke English.

The American accent ruins these period films completely it makes them seem cheap and tacky. I am wholly disappointed with this effort from Ridley Scott, thankfully he learned a valuable lesson from his premier film. I didn't think much of the actors either really, although Harvey Keitel's performance wasn't too bad other than the accent, but Carradine is possibly the most unbelievable landed gentry I have ever seen.

If American actors can't be bothered to learn the trade they shouldn't be offered parts which don't involve a car chase and shooting.

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Does not matter.

But I think, you must think that at that time the French army of Napoleon spoke English with a British accent,... instead of French?

ROFL.

Overal though, I think movies like this would be best served having people of the appropriate country play their own country's characters. But it is not a must.

Look at a movie like Alastriste. In this movie when they are campagning in the low countries (now The Netherlands and Belgium) you can clearly hear his enemies speak Dutch. It is a very comforting thing to hear, that a director allocated native speakers to his movie. It gives a sence of realism to it.

But as I said,... it is not a must.

Besides,... in most countries they will voice-over all the characters anyway, as alot of countries do not use subtitles in their movies.

I think in countries like Germany, they have no idea what an actor's voice really sounds like, as they will voice over all the characters by German-speaking actors.

I think that is an utter shame of screwing over the art in an actors voice. A well payed excellent actor, being voice overed by a cheap native speaking actor,... it is destroying of the intended piece of art a movie is suppose to be.

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This film was in dire need of an all British cast.


That's ridiculous. The two American leads were outstanding.

The American accent ruins these period films completely it makes them seem cheap and tacky.


Why? Simply because you can't handle hearing an American accent? Pretty narrow-minded, isn't it?

At the very least a cast which could put on an upper class British accent.


Why? Féraud wasn't "upper-class" -- he was the son of a blacksmith.

If American actors can't be bothered to learn the trade they shouldn't be offered parts which don't involve a car chase and shooting.


And if you can't handle hearing anything but a British accent in a period film, maybe you shouldn't watch them.

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It's comical that these two have American accents in the Napoleonic era while everyone else has English accents.

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Even more comical that no one in the French army had English accents either.

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Keitel was brilliant in this, I can't imagine anyone else in that particular role.

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Scott wanted Michael York, who IMHO would have been a terrible d'Hubert. He also wanted Oliver Reed for Feraud, which actually would have been good.

So on balance, better that Ridley didn't get his way on casting.

Carradine is possibly the most unbelievable landed gentry I have ever seen.


d'Hubert would have been either a child or a cadet at the time of the French Revolution, so he wouldn't have had much experience of life as a member of the gentry until 1814!

An opinion is not offensive just because you do not agree with it.

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I don't think so - I think both actors did fine, although another poster says Oliver Reed was considered for the part of Feraud, which would have been interesting casting. I think he would have been good but might not have come across as quite such a bullying obsessive as Keitel does. I don't think their accents were a problem, I mean if we are going to be fussy why not French actors?

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They did well, acted well, look suitable for their respective roles. British accents however woudve helped, added character and precision to the story. Feraud would speak with a lower class accent, while dhubert would have a refined aritocratic pronunciation.

Scott however refers to one of his best flicks as a western set in the napoleonic europe in the commentary. And thats the smartest thing he has to say about it. Not that he was senile yet when the commentary was recorded.

my vote history:
http://www.imdb.com/user/ur13767631/ratings

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I agree. It seemed strange. Harvey Keitel seemed miscast completely.

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