by uniqueproductions (Mon Apr 9 2007 12:06:44) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
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THINK about this film and slavery in general? Do you really feel bad for what your ancestors did to blacks, do you care or do you feel it has nothing to do with you?
by uniqueproductions (Tue Apr 10 2007 13:15:34) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
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Maybe b/c modern day slavery still exist today as well as oppression against blacks. Actually, I know more non-blacks who complain about what the WHITE MAN did to them, so just because you don 't know of any complaining doesn't mean there aren't any. And how do you know what your ancestors did?
by uniqueproductions (Tue Apr 10 2007 18:25:41) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
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So your'e saying that you know for a fact that NONE of your ancesotrs lived anywhere else? Slave owners weren't just in the South you know. So,you can account for EVERY SINGLE ONE of your ancestors, that's interesting. I can't say that your ancestors were slave owners or not, but it's just interesting how you can account for each blood line and where they lived or did not live!
I have not read all the posts but wanted to respond to the originator …
There are several things you fail to realize or do not fully grasp …
You did not put forth YOUR answers to the questions you pose. “Do YOU really feel bad for what YOUR ancestors did to blacks, do you care or do you feel it has nothing to do with you?” … “…how do YOU know what YOUR ancestors did?” and are you saying, “you can account for EVERY SINGLE ONE of your ancestors”?
You fail to take into account the numbers and history …
If anyone goes back 7 generations he would have 254 direct ancestors and then you would have to add their brothers, sisters and cousins etc. I can say with certainty that anyone who reads this post has a murderer, wife beater, thief AND SLAVEHOLDER in their family tree. So what is YOUR answer to the questions or didn’t you know Africans owned Africans.
You seem to imply that one must feel guilt if they are of a race that historically held slaves. Although I dismiss this implication as crap, it would mean everyone is guilty.
There is no racial or collective guilt that can be placed on the individual. This argument is put out there to exact a collective apology … Who apologizes for slavery, who apologizes for Nazi atrocities, who apologizes for the Rwandan acts of genocide?
An individual IS responsible for his own actions and owes NOTHING for what HIS ancestor may have done (although you are implying a person may owe something for what someone else’s ancestor may have done)
" Three can keep a secret, if two are dead "
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Stevicus-2
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You fail to take into account the numbers and history …
If anyone goes back 7 generations he would have 254 direct ancestors and then you would have to add their brothers, sisters and cousins etc. I can say with certainty that anyone who reads this post has a murderer, wife beater, thief AND SLAVEHOLDER in their family tree. So what is YOUR answer to the questions or didn’t you know Africans owned Africans.
You seem to imply that one must feel guilt if they are of a race that historically held slaves. Although I dismiss this implication as crap, it would mean everyone is guilty.
There is no racial or collective guilt that can be placed on the individual. This argument is put out there to exact a collective apology … Who apologizes for slavery, who apologizes for Nazi atrocities, who apologizes for the Rwandan acts of genocide?
An individual IS responsible for his own actions and owes NOTHING for what HIS ancestor may have done (although you are implying a person may owe something for what someone else’s ancestor may have done)
I agree with LesterFester here regarding the overall premise of the original poster's question. I was thinking about this earlier in the thread when someone was chiding another poster that they can't know what EVERY one of their ancestors did and maybe, just maybe, one of them might have owned slaves. But what if they did? What are they supposed to do about it now?
I agree that the idea of collective racial guilt is crap, as it's a dangerous precedent to set which could be used against any race or collective group of people.
Not only that, but it blatantly ignores the many countless white people who opposed slavery and fought to end it. If some of my ancestors were slaveholders and some were Abolitionists and Union soldiers, should I take all the blame for the bad ones and none of the credit for the good ones? This can get confusing if you really take a look to analyze the whole concept of collective guilt. Some of my ancestors helped to
defeat the South and end slavery. That should count for something, I think.
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