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THINK about this film and slavery in general? Do you really feel bad for what your ancestors did to blacks, do you care or do you feel it has nothing to do with you?

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If we didn't have slavery where do you think all the African Americans would be now? if anything they should be grateful for the evilness of humans & the suffering of their ancestors.

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I think it is a dark period of our history, yes. However, what about other cultures who used slaves? So we are not alone in this.

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Black People have committed horrifying atrocities on each other, so from that respect all races are bad, and nobody should be held guilty for his ancestors behaviour.

On another level, Black People in USA, and in other First world countries today are leading a life which is light years superior to Blacks in Africa, but they still whine so much.



Darkness lies an inch ahead

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THINK about this film and slavery in general? Do you really feel bad for what your ancestors did to blacks, do you care or do you feel it has nothing to do with you?
First of all, I don't really see where you come off asking a question like this. Its like saying "Hey German's what's your excuse for the holocaust?" Or "Hey Egyptians, how come you wouldn't let Moses' people go already?" Here is my answer.

First of all, my ancestors didn't have slaves. My ancestors came to America from England in the late 1800s and moved west to Idaho. And I have to say that it really irks me when people assume or imply that because I'm white I was somehow a part of some conspiracy 300 years ago to make black people slaves. Now that I've got that out of the way...

I hate that our country's history of freedom is scarred with the cruel irony of slavery. Although, I will say that it seems more of an elitist practice than an "American" practice. Slavery was started in the America's by british plantation owners and when the US became a nation it was one of the most debated topics and almost kept us from even becoming a nation. But I digress. Slavery is and was an awful thing that existed for centuries and I do not condone it in any way.

It affects me very much so. Racism affects me all the time. As a white person, my circumstances have allowed me to grow up in a strong community in which I was taught that racism is wrong and that everyone should have the equal opportunity to pursue happiness. I strongly believe that. Unfortunately, however, racism still exists. And guess what, racism is not defined as white's hating black people. Racism is when any person is treated differently based on their race. This is why I am against things like Affirmative Action where black people are given preferential treatment because of their race. In my opinion that is disrespectful to black people and racist. Its like me saying, "oh you black person you're not as smart as me so I'm going to let you win at chess." I don't think that is right. Not because I'm not winning but because I'm just assuming that I would win and so I'm letting the poor black person win to make them feel better. Patronizing garbage. Black people and white people both should be allowed the same opportunity to compete for a position or a college entry or whatever and not based on their race but based on their grades and merits. Race shouldn't even be a factor on the application.

The irony is that I'm going to be called a racist all of this when all I'm saying is that I think people should be judged by their merits and not their race and that includes giving preferential treatment to a minority.

From my own perspective, it seems that a lot of black people have been stuck in a cycle of crime and poverty and drugs and what not. I don't know why, I'm sure some part of it has to do with racism. But come on, you really are just gonna give into the norm and curse the white man until you die shot in a ghetto somewhere? This is America! Look at all the successful prominent black people out there! Black people dominate the music and entertainment industries AND professional sports. High paying and highly talent dependent professions! Not to mention mr so and so up in the White House? I thought that was supposed to signify some amazing moment in American history when we finally showed how far we've come since slavery and civil rights? Yet the race card gets played anytime anyone says anything about anyone black anymore since Obama got elected. All I have to do is dislike his shoes and suddenly I'm some Texas lynch mobber.

Anyway, I think I've rambled up enough trouble for now. I guess my main point is how sick I am of being treated like I was the one that owned slaves and somehow I'm supposed to make up for it by treating all black people better than I would anyone else. Blacks deserve the respect to be treated as equals. Lets focus on real problems then eh? Lets look for where racism actually does still exist and fight it rather than using accusations of racism as a political maneuver to scare white people into giving black people whatever they want.

"There is no pizza god." - Hal

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Just got around to the part where the lynch mob comes to whip Tom and afterwards, Martha and Bud talk about the white men coming. Couldn't have said it any better than the movie itself does.

Bud: I'ma kill them white men someday.

Martha: Bud, you ought'n to talk like that.

Bud: I'ma kill 'em.

Matha: Bible says it ain't right to kill Bud.

Bud: Do the Bible say it be right for them to whup my daddy?

Martha: No, it don't say that neither

Bud: Then I'm bound to get um.

Martha: Which ones Bud? Couldn't see their faces

Bud: I'll find a way to get the ones who done it.

Martha: Suppose you make a mistake? Suppose you hurt some white folks that ain't done your daddy no harm?

Bud: I'll do what I gotta do.

Martha: Then I guess you might as well start with me Bud.

Bud: I didn't... mean... you.

Martha: Well, I sure am white. I'm white as a cottonball. And if you starts hurtin' whites for bein white, then sooner or later you gets around to me and Ol' George.

Bud: I don't wanna kill you.

Martha: That's what happens when you starts hurtin folks for the color of their skin. You won't be any better than those men who hurt your daddy.

Bud: I hate em. Hate em!

Martha: Hate em... for what they done... Not because theys white. Me and mine is white, but we love you just like our own. If you'll let us love you.

(They hug)

Martha: Oh Bud, oh my poor little Bud.


"There is no pizza god." - Hal

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It is sad that there are folk who really believe what was written by
fullboost6 that:-

they should still be slaves just look at africa they cant look after themselves


It seems to me that slavery and forced migrations have gone on virtually since the beginning of human history and continues today in various forms.

I have not studied my ancestry, but think it likely that despite apparently being a white Englishman I originally have descendants who came from Africa and the Middle East, because that is where the first human settlements are recorded.

I know that almost every meal I have here in England, is influenced by slavery, my food is sweetened with sugar, grown in West Indian Plantations and I drink tea grown in India from plants removed from China. My country has benefited from the trade done by slavery. Sadly it is hard to shop for some goods and be sure every one involved in the chain of growth, production, transport and retail has been fairly treated but I can and do attempt to buy fairly traded goods. I also support charities that actively work to reduce slavery and the consequences of slavery today.

I also realise that the Imperialism of Britain has caused major disruption to other societies particularly in Africa and South Asia, so it is little wonder that so comparatively soon after some nations were given independence in the last century they have yet to establish stable governments and viable economic systems. European and North American owned companies continue to cause problems in Africa and Asia, think of oil extraction in Nigeria, that chemical plant at Bhopal in India, and water extraction in Africa to produce Mineral water in places where people do not have sufficient access to fresh water for drinking and sanitation.

We live in a complex world, Alex Haley has helped us to understand it a bit better, even with some plagiarism!

http://www.antislavery.org/english/slavery_today/default.aspx

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I found a copy of the movie on a free table on VHS. Never saw it before, but was very impressed with it. It was good to see. The only downer is apparently the previous owner ran out of tape, so I think there's an hour left I didn't see. (yep, VHS).

As far as what I feel about the past or whatever, my ancestors were likely too poor to own slaves, so I don't feel anything about that. But it is a sad part of our nation's history.

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I guess it was more than

it is a sad part of our nation's history


but a sad part of the world's history because slavery seems almost world - wide although I wonder if it was ever part of some aboriginal peoples such as is written about in the National Geographic Magazine.

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/2012/08/pine-ridge/fuller-text

I also read in last few months of a continuing aboriginal community in one of The Solomon Islands, but I can't remember where I saw that, probably National Geographic.

The point being that they have almost kept them selves apart from Europeanised organised so called civilized society.

I think such 'tribes' or 'family groups' and communities have philosophical attributes that are all too often largely lost in a commercialised society that is represented by our economic ways and can lead to extreme greed where some have vast material advantages whilst others hang on to life itself for want of basics like water and food and shelter.

And also tragically slavery continues today. http://www.antislavery.org/english/slavery_today/what_is_modern_slaver y.aspx

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I'm a white woman in my mid thirties from East Texas. My entire family is white, and from the South, back to the 17th century, via Virginia, the Carolinas, and Tennessee.

I think this film is great, especially considering the budget it was produced on, and I also think it would never be made much less aired today, as it is far too realistic in its portrayal of the inherent violence of chattel slavery in this country. It's also genius in that it accurately shows how the slavery system brutalized the slave owners, as well.

I know that I have ancestors in Virginia and North Carolina who owned slaves (due to research on Ancestry.com and subsequently reading their wills), as well as at least two ancestors who were Confederate soldiers (one being an officer who died at the Battle of Stones River leading a charge against the Union). I do feel bad about what my ancestors did to blacks, yes, unhesitatingly.

I feel it has very much to do with me, as well as with the society in which I grew up in East Texas and still live in, in Austin. Some of the advantages I had (even as a girl, in a working class family in a rural area in the South) are the direct result of the capital, power, and education my ancestors were able to obtain on the backs of enslaved African Americans. Literally. There is no getting away from this.

It is therefor the *very least* I am obligated to do, to try to understand this history, and the complicated, often traumatic history of our country. Though I was raised to be racist ("blacks are different from us, and you can be friends with one, but you can't let one spend the night at your house, or marry one" was among one of the many racist instructions I received from age three or four).

"Roots" originally aired just before I was born, so I don't remember it, but I do remember its impact, and people talking about it in the years afterward. I decided to watch it after reading a lot of Frederick Douglass recently. Not only is it instructional as to the black experience in slavery and Reconstruction, but also as an artifact of mid-20th century African American self conception. Something that was so instrumental in the lives of my black friends and neighbors is necessarily something I should watch, I think. And I'm enjoying it immensely. As a white person, the impact of slavery in breaking up black families and its pernicious, brutalizing effect on white people are the main themes that this story has crystallized in my mind.

There you have it.

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As far as feeling guilty, I don't know that any of my ancestors were actually owned slaves but they were here and in the south since the 1700s. I personally do not feel guilt but do feel shame on our ancestors in general for treating others so badly. I grew up in a predominately white southern town and watched roots when I was very young. I was probably 4 or 5 years old. I remember crying several times during the movie and being in disbelief that people could be so mean and cruel to others. I think every American should see this movie not to bring bitter feelings towards each other but to learn from other's mistakes and know some of the truths of how evil slavery was. Should we dwell on it and our decedents forever feel guilty for what their ancestors did? I don't think so, we all should treat each other as we want to be treated.

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Simple: That was then. This is now.
Get over it.

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