Im not going to rant about how stupid this movie was, as the title may suggest, but man, it was stupid. I saw it on flix a few weeks ago at a friends house, and man, it was so bad. We couldnt stop laughing at its immense stupidity and lack of anything that made actual sense. It was stupid but man was it funny. Unfortunately, we watched it a second time and the laughs went away. It went from stupid funny to just stupid. It was like "Dude wheres my car?" in the sense that it only works the first time around, and after that it just like "what?"
I will agree with you that they're are some parts that make no sense. Even so, this is still a classic in its own right. About your comment "We couldnt stop laughing at its immense stupidity and lack of anything that made actual sense", the fact that not everything makes sense makes it a great film because it's open for interpretation. Instead of forcing you to think what the movie thinks, it leaves it up to you. For instance, the moral of the movie could be that being an icon isn't so great when they start turning your back or about how religion can go too far. Second off, this was made in the 70's so there may be some references which may have seemed dated and/or funny.
I thank you for your comments, but sadly, I have to strongly disagree with you.
This movie was somewhat corny and whatnot but its The Who. I mean seriously who watched this movie for its cinematical value? I for one watched it because am a fan of The Who and wanted to hear their great rock opera put on in a format that I could watch instead of just listen to.
lol, i remember when i was a kid me and my dad used to watch this movie around twice a day, every day lol. i still love the dvd, and woo! about the 2 disk special edition, apparently the americans don't have this out there yet? I don't think, i could be wrong. who cares about whether it's not very "reality" wise or it doesn't make sense, that's what makes this movie good, it gets us away from the real world for 2 hours!
I personally didn't understand it at all, like why all of a sudden when he crashed through the mirror then he had his senses back? lay back for 2 hours and enjoy this for what it is!
I saw Tommy yesterday on tv. I'm not usually into musical kind of movies, but I thought this was pretty good. The scene with the mother covered in the baked beans had me laughing. It's not everyday you see a hot lady put beans all over her, then throw a bottle of wine into the tv.
When you think a movie as bad as Tommy is meant to be studied or is symbolic of anything worthwhile, you not only prove your own stupidity, but your execrable bad taste.
yeah my sister posted under my name for this movie and i agree with her that the end was corny but actually i think the whole thing sucks i mean first of all i hate that kind of rock form the seventies and in this movie i don't believe there is anything "to get" it's a wannabe smart piece of *beep* typical for a totally decadent band at the time......i watched it and i felt embarassed for anyone who participated in this movie heheheh
Obviously you missed something if that is all you got from the story. I saw the movie for the first time recently though and have to admit that I was a bit disappointed, not in the cinematography or because I "didn't get it" but rather because I feel as though it was a departure from the original rock opera itself, which I was introduced to about 20 years ago and can sing by heart. How did 1921 suddenly become 1951? Why is Marilyn Monroe suddenly the image of a cult? Wasn't Tommy's dad supposed to kill his mom's new boyfriend rather than the other way around? Where did Bernie's holiday camp come from? Why does Sally Simpson look about 12? I also didn't appreciate Tommy's followers revolting and killing his family in the end. I always thought "we're not gonna take it" meant they were now going to follow Tommy and not mainstream society. Finally, for those who think they can only listen to the music on acid, Tommy specifically said no one would follow him while in a drug-induced stupor. While watching Ann-Margret roll around in baked beans in mildly amusing, I feel like someone whose favorite book was made into a bad blockbuster.
I think I can answer most of your questions, or at least try and apply some logic to them.
I believe "1921" was changed to "1951" so they could update the timeline. I don't think it's ever made clear how much time passes throughout the course of the film, but it's clear that Tommy is meant to have aged considerably. Perhaps they wanted the movie's appearance and mood to reflect the actual time of the '70s (hairstyles, clothing, etc.), so the date was bumped up to '51 to bring it closer to that time period. Whereas in 1921 Captain Walker would be returning home from WWI, he'd now be returning in 1951 from WWII. Judging by the boy's appearance, I'm going to guess he's around 6 or 7 (the album's version of "Amazing Journey" contains the lyrics "Ten years old/With thoughts as bold/As thoughts can be," but the lyrics have changed in the film, and frankly, the boy looks much younger than ten). If we add 20 years to the equation, that would make Tommy around 26 or 27 by the film's end (I seem to recall reading an interview with Ann-Margret in which she says the character's age 20 years, so let's just assume this is correct). The only reason I can come up with then is that it was changed to reflect the '70s since that was when the movie was made.
The Marilyn Monroe thing was, admittedly, a bit strange. I'm only speculating here, but I'm guessing that, based on the context of the lyrics ("You talk about your woman," "She's got the power to heal you," etc.), they wanted to choose an iconic woman that's easily identifiable as well as world famous and therefore it's probable that she would spawn a "cult" or "sect" or what have you that would worship her. As Nora and Frank are trying to "heal" Tommy in this stage of the movie, it's clear that they are becoming desperate if they believe, as the lyrics suggest, that "she" (Marilyn, in this case) can take away Tommy's afflictions.
I don't know why they had the Lover (Frank) kill Captain Walker in the film, but I'm thinking it's because they wanted the authoritative male in Tommy's life to be an enigmatic figure, not entirely evil, but a bit unscrupulous. By having Captain Walker killed, it seems even more tragic because, as far as we know, he was a good man. Frank--though I think it's obvious he does care for Tommy--is greedy and incorrigible at times, and I think they wanted to avoid that with the Father. I think they wanted the image of Captain Walker to be as a Tragic Hero as, ultimately, that's what Tommy becomes himself.
"Bernie's Holiday Camp," obviously was written for the film, as were other songs, such as "Champagne," "Mother and Son," and "T.V. Studio." The reason is because the plotline of "Tommy" the album is a little hard to follow at certain times, so Townshend wrote other songs to kind of bridge them together (songwise and scenewise) for the movie. It makes the flow a little bit smoother. In addition to this, the "Bernie's Holiday Camp" segment provides another purpose: this is obviously what inspired Tommy to start his own holiday camp at the end of the movie (you can hear the boy sing at one point int he song, "and when I'm big I'll have a holiday camp").
In regards to Sally Simpson, I'm not positive, but I don't believe her age is ever mentioned in the lyrics (in either the album nor the film). Personally, I always imagined her to be around 14 or 15 or so, the so-called "rebellious years," and her behavior in the song seems to support this. I know they mention her getting married and such, but I always saw that particular verse of the song as looking ahead to the future, while Sally is married. It's years from now, but she still thinks back to that day ("still carries the scar on her cheek"). I always saw the song as flashing forward at this point, giving us a glimpse of her future. I will admit that the actress certainly looks younger than 14 or 15, but all I can do is guess on this subject, and I'm guessing she was cast because she's Ken Russell's daughter and her age was close enough to what Townshend had in mind when he wrote the song.
And actually, "We're Not Gonna Take It" was depicted correctly in the film (though the murdering of the parents was probably added for effect). The song is about Tommy's followers revolting against him and his ways because they feel like they've been duped ("Don't want no religion," "We forake you/Gonna rape you/Let's forget you better still"). The "See Me/Feel Me" part then seems to suggest him regressing back to his deaf, dumb, and blind state, while "Listening To You" would imply that he rejects it and is prepared to start over with a new life. People tend to argue over this, but I don't think the "real ending" has ever been made known.
Anyway, most of this is speculation, but I hope it helps.
I just saw TOMMY for the first time this past weekend--it was really my first experience of the movie and the music. One of the things that I found particularly interesting in terms of symbolism (or message, or whatever you'd like to call it :) ) is that whole Marilyn Monroe sequence, in the fact that it's not merely representing any old cult that his mother takes him to. The entire scene, in each detail, is a parody of the Catholic Mass--and ultimately, I think, a critique of organized religion as something that promises miracles and salvation (Tommy's mother takes him there to be cured), but Tommy knocks over the statue (notice how the congregation goes up to kiss the statue's feet? This happens during, I believe, the Holy Thursday services around Easter--I was raised Catholic, but it's been a while), suggesting the ultimate breakable facade of organized religion as something that relies on its followers to believe without question in order to control them. At the end, Tommy (perhaps along with his followers) realizes that salvation isn't found in a magical pinball machine, or in following a messiah to make you whole, or even in the almighty dollar. At the end, Tommy is alone with his own existence, which is the true enlightenment.
I'd also like to add that this is just an interpretation of the visuals, since I am not, as many of you are on here, as familiar with all of the lyrics or the original concept album.
But I enjoyed this quite a bit, especially the more I think about it after the fact. There's a lot of GREAT dark humor and satirical treatment of popular culture, capitalism, and religion. I've been an enormous fan of THE WALL for years, so I was glad to experience another rock opera from a similar era and learn something new. There are a lot of shared themes between the two which could be interesting to explore.
That is exactly the way I felt. The album provides a more exquisite experience. And Keith Moon's portrayal of Uncle Ernie and the black screen and the slurpy noises felt gross in a pick your nose kind of way but did not evoke the terror of sexual molestation. And I expect better iconography from Ken Russell. Marilyn Monroe? Can you say obvious and underbaked? Lame contemporizing robbed us of the original '21 number. In the end, "Quadrophenia" is the the true Who adaptation. Who wants to hear Elton John(or even Tina Turner) perform the Who instead of Roger and the boys? I would rather just watch live footage from Leeds to get my friggin' ya-yas out.
If I was stranded on a desert island, and could only take one album with me... I'd choose Tommy. Hands down.
While the album is a work of absolute beauty... the movie? Well...
I have to say that I agree with you. Except that (for my friends and I, anyway) the charm didn't wear off. We still bust it out and laugh our asses off, because, what else can you do when Ann-Margret is writhing around in a sea of beans? When you so much as look at Elton John? I mean, really now, it's a camp nightmare.
Yeah, I know; every part in the film has a purpose, the album tells a great story, etc...
But I think my good friend (and The Who enthusiast) said it best;
"It would be symbolic if it wasn't so stupid."
"sal, wyoming's not a country." - sonny, dog day afternoon
Last time I saw this film was ...1977, or something? I REALLY enjoyed it at the time and I still listen to the soundtrack. No, I never really catch its meaning or any metaphors but I didn't care. All that matter to me was the tripping and the music. Remember, I was 16 at the time. I am planning to watch it again sometime this weekend with my wife who never heard of it and she is about 9 years younger than I am. I am really curious about the outcome.
Nevertheless, your remarks about this movie are plain shallow.
The movie isn't hard to understand. There is a message there. However, there's a message in mein kampf as well, doesn't means it's a good book or the message is worth my time. For everyone who attempts to claim it's high art- go toss. It's not. It's a prancing shirtless twat's ode to his own stardom, stretched out over one hour and fifty some minutes.
But the same garbage that make it, to me, a silly film also make it fun to watch. Tommy is silly, sublimely so. I don't even like the Who that much and I enjoyed all of it- save for the reeking cheese they call synths at the beginning- as grade a ego-stroking camp. Uncle Ernie makes even the synths forgivable though... damn that charming fiddler.
I took it as a period piece; a bit of fluff made by a collection of tirelessly self aggrandizing egos operating at the peak of goofy overindulgence- the mid 70s. If I were looking for a genuinely good rock opera from the era I would watch Phantom of the Paradise (which is also silly, but works so much better). Tommy exists, to me, simply for *beep* and giggles.
Dude...I just finished this and I'm 14! I've barely heard any of the Who's songs and I'm just... at a loss for words. I..I seriously think I should lie down.
no matter when you grew up or what your favorite music is, there is no logical way to deny that this movie made you feel the music more than just hear it. I went into it not expecting a movie as much as I was expecting a rock opera. As a movie, this one does have it's faults, but as a rock opera (which it was intended to be) it was brilliant. I also recognize it's value as a time peice. It really does embody the 70's with flavor and life. I won't lie, I also laughed alot during this movie, but I think we were supposed to. One of the greatest rock albums of all time was turned into a great rock opera, and for that, I can appreciate this film. As a motion picture, well, it's apples and oranges. You can't compare tommy with any conventional movie. It's an opera. It's a visual depiction of what the Who invented in their music. I've loved the album for a long time, and after seeing the film, I can't imagine a better way to take a piece of art from a record and put it on the big screen.