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Was this the first time we saw the Ugly American personifcation?


Obviously this character only appeared once but it's become a generalization about us Yanks that's been recounted again and again. I'm sure it existed before but it's like how certain types of people are known about before we see them represented in art. Was Fawlty Towers the first to depict this?

Yes, you could argue the Ugly American is a stereotype but there is some basis on reality. And yes, I'm American. And no, I don't like fresh squeezed orange juice I like store bought, why do you ask?

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While the American is portrayed as the now trypical stereotype, loud, ignorant, spoilt etc...he does have a point that the hotel is badly run! I don't blame him for the way he acts at the end and everything he says is true.

I love watching the greedy, cowardly Fawlty interacting with the confident arrogant Yank, they are the exact opposites and its comedy gold!

As for if this is the first time we see the Yank abroad stereotype...I am sure its been seen before 1975, I seem to remember some british WW2 films from the 40's or 50's where they complain about visiting yank soldiers for the same sort of stuff.





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He was unnecessarily rude at first, ranting about the rain, but Fawlty's reluctance to serve a proper dinner before being bribed was poor timing to say the least.

In interviews, Cleese himself has often supported the customer orientated culture in the US. Cleese mocks the British squeamishness when it comes to complaining about bad service in the same episode with those ladies eating their substandard beef stew.

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It's true though. British people are very polite even when they are very angry.
The Pythons do a good take on that in Life of Brian, with the guy trying to be oh-so-polite in explaining that it's not his cross.

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"Cleese himself mocks the British squeamishness when it comes to complaining about bad service in the same episode"

It's not a "British squeamishness" at all it's an upper class British squeamishness Cleese often mocks in this and Fish called Wanda. Cleese has admitted he had a very sheltered middle class life growing up in Weston Super Mare and hated it and that's what he lampoons. Most Brits would have a go at an hotel owner who acted that way.

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Basil's reluctance to serve a proper dinner had to do with the chef having ended his shift. It is perfectly normal for hotels not to serve dinner after the kitchen is closed. In fact, it is highly unusual to provide such extra service. Maybe if the customer is a big-name somebody and it's a fancy hotel, but neither was the case here. The American was an obnoxious SOB, and any hotel owner worth his salt would have refused the condescending bribe. But, of course, this was Basil.

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While the American is portrayed as the now trypical stereotype, loud, ignorant, spoilt etc...he does have a point that the hotel is badly run! I don't blame him for the way he acts at the end and everything he says is true.


True, the Hotel was run badly which for anyone who watched the series was hardly news. That having been said to some degree I would defend Basil. The fact of the matter is that if the guy (the characters name escapes me for the moment) wanted to have something to eat, he should have looked in to finding a hotel that fit his personal needs. Either that or made plans in advance where he find somewhere that he could get something to eat before arriving at the Hotel. He just couldn't just waltz in and then expect to be treated any differently than any of the other guests. Where Basil ultimately lets himself down his giving in to his greed and agreeing to bend to the “American” guests wishes. He should have stuck to his guns and if the man didn't like it there were other Hotels he could have chosen to go to.

I love watching the greedy, cowardly Fawlty interacting with the confident arrogant Yank, they are the exact opposites and its comedy gold!


I agree, it was pretty inspired and the contrasting performances between the two wonderfully complimented one another.

As for if this is the first time we see the Yank abroad stereotype...I am sure its been seen before 1975, I seem to remember some british WW2 films from the 40's or 50's where they complain about visiting yank soldiers for the same sort of stuff. 


I agree, I am highly doubtful Fawlty Towers was the first to do this. Nothing springs to mind straight away but I'm sure if the OP takes a quick look online they'll be hard pressed not to find any pre-1975 examples. Actually, come to think of it Cliff Richards Summer Holiday if I recall correctly had some some “American” stereo types as the love interest is from the United States. We also see her parents and they pretty much fit the bill.

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Well nothing in Fawlty Towers is particularly flattering, I mean Manuel doesn't represent all immigrant workers from Barcelona. And not all Aussie girls are blonde and tall (I'm Aussie and the exact opposite!)

But whether the American stereotype existed pre-Fawlty Towers I'm not sure, but I doubt that the series was responsible for 'creating' it.

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Well nothing in Fawlty Towers is particularly flattering, I mean Manuel doesn't represent all immigrant workers from Barcelona. And not all Aussie girls are blonde and tall (I'm Aussie and the exact opposite!)

And that actress's abysmal attempt at an Australian accent was the funniest thing in that episode.




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Having travelled around the world, I can say that the Ugly American, if not the rule, is certainly a constant that you see often.

I was in Cambodia, at the Genocide Museum in Phnom Penh. It was mostly empty, except for my wife and I, and an American couple, who had hired a guide. I wasn't following them around, but just stopped for a moment to listen to the guide explain something. The man stopped him, looked at me, and said: "We paid for him".

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As an American, I'd likely say the same damn thing. Go get a tour guide if you want a tour, don't be in my space - that's what I paid for, an individual tour, and more than that my space, not a tour with a sprinkling of people hanging around during the interesting parts.

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So you too are an ugly American, who thinks that his money buys whatever he wants. I wasn't following the guy around, and wasn't anywhere near them. I kept a distance, and just wanted to hear a few words. But, if the Americans paid, than they get to do whatever they want. The arrogance of power. They'd better get used to the Chinese doing it all to them in the near future.

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Yup, guilty as charged. I exchange money for goods and services - I expect said goods and services delivered as agreed upon. Of course you don't think you were following him around or weren't in his space, but obviously he thought differently. Europeans and asians seem to have no problem with people in their personal space, Americans tend to, that has nothing to do with world politics - if/when the Chinese become the big swinging dick in geopolitics, I don't think Americans are going to instantly start standing closer to each other or decide, you know what, sure we agreed to something, but it doesn't matter if I get it or not, and sure, everyone come on in on the private tour.

If you wanted a tour, go get one. He didn't owe you a tour, you mooched in on his tour. If he ordered a steak should you feel fine coming in and cutting off a piece? He buys a magazine and there is an article you find interesting, so what, just peer over his shoulder?

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I see a big difference between following a guide around the site (the GENOCIDE MUSEUM, for god's sake), and standing a good distance away, once.

As a teacher, my class is always open. People often ask if they can sit in, and I always say yes. The credits cost money (to the college), but knowledge is free.

If you see things differently, then that's how the Ugly American seems to most of the world.

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Freeloading is quite an ugly habit.

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"If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange apples then you and I will still each have one apple. But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas."

George Bernard Shaw


And that's one reason that the world will long remember Shaw, a socialist, while you, and your steak, might not linger so long in the imagination.

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The Chinese....lol....They said the same thing about the Japanese and the Germans. I'll believe it when I see it.

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I'm American-born and have written a book much of which is about the unwarranted anti-Americanism my family suffered when we settled in the British colony of New Zealand in 1960. So I sympathise in general, but to expect people not to listen in, in a public place? If you were that fussy about sharing you should have arranged a closed communication system between you and the guide.

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Why is it so surprising you had a difficult time assimilating in a country that stopped being a colony in 1907?
Calling the Kiwis a colony of Britian in 1960 reeks of ignorance.

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It's a shame your comment is from an archive, because I'd really like you to know that you're a moron.

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So many morons in the archive we cant chastise!
I guess its good actually , we have to learn to be all zen like and let stuff go ....

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Do we really have to???😩

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My reply - and?

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The Ugly American was a Marlon Brando movie from 1963 and obviously it had been referred to before then.

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I remember hearing "you Americans did it first" as tho we thought of everything or did everything there was to do that was new.

Even saw an Englishman on The Price Is Right and when Bob asked him something about the way it was done in England, the guy just replied with, you did it first.

Bob laughed.

I do recall some incredible underlying envy tho with Band Aid and Do They Know It's Christmas? that none of our big American performers were on the breakthrough song.

No matter how much money We Are the World raised, how sensationalized it was (I thought the overall song was terrible), England still had it first.

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I suppose it's really a tale of two stereotypes: the diffident Brit and the pushy American.

For me though, the episode is actually more disparaging to the British than the Americans. We see the British guests at the beginning of the episode all meekly enduring a dreadful evening with bad food and shoddy service, the point being that the British would rather die than cause a scene. Then we see the brash, confident American who knows what he wants, how he wants it, and he wants it yesterday. It's more than an incompetent like Basil can handle, customer service not really being his area.

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what upset me was the fact that the wife only said 'it's not very well known here' and things like that. she wasn't doing her duty as the country's citizen and standing up for it.

srsly, waldorf salad???? come on! [ps I have tried it, the mayo is disgusting! I tried it with yogurt and it was fine.]

she was such a wimp to her husband. the way he storms into the hotel and forcefully has her take this towel or something and she just takes it -- and the towel? what a wimp.

she was completely fine with him giving 20L for the chef to stay for 'a half an hour' [yeah right!] like she was entitled.

she should have known how eateries were run! [I went to London in 2001 -- about two weeks before 9/11 and I didn't behave like this when pubs closed between lunch and dinner.] that was 4:00pm and he is freaking out about 9:00.
and what if he DID have something terminal? god, a little sensitivity, please!

then he barks at basil to make the waldorf salad. if it ain't on the menu, you're not getting it! he was like that highly strung, very clever kid.



Reading the paper can really be depressing. Mr. Dithers fired Dagwood again.

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I went to London in 2001 -- about two weeks before 9/11 and I didn't behave like this when pubs closed between lunch and dinner.


What the hell pub did you go to?! UK pubs stopped closing between lunch and dinner back in the 1980s...


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idk. it was a long time ago and there were at least 4 pubs on each street, for the most part.

but the point still stands... I did not freak out and demand service when the pubs were shut.

and idk if I mentioned this before, but there was a bomb threat and the area was on high alert at the time.



Reading the paper can really be depressing. Mr. Dithers fired Dagwood again.

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I suppose the final irony is that Bruce Boa, who played the "pushy American" Hamilton, was Canadian. Canadians have the reputation of being polite and non-aggressive unless you put them into a hockey rink, or so the stereotype goes.

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