It doesn't hold up today


I saw this movie for the first time today after missing it when it came out in '74, and I just don't see anything to it. It's a disjointed mess, and far too long to boot. Besides some beautiful scenery, the whole chase scene in the first half-hour of the movie was pointless. In general the car chase scenes were too numerous and pedestrian.

A lot of people here talk about the movie showing the pointlessness of society, turning convention upside down, etc. but while those elements may be there, it's almost like Eastwood and his buddies got together one weekend and decided to make a movie. Not much art to it.

I generally like Eastwood movies, especially from this time in his career. What am I missing? Maybe this movie was a pioneer of many of these themes, and since then many movies copied them with a lot more style?

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You are entitled to your opinion... but I remind you that that's all it is, an opinion. Yeah, it doesn't hold up to today's poor script writing and lack of character development (BTW, that's what the 1st half of TB&LF was, their relationship development... you know, so YOU ACTUALLY CARE WHEN LIGHTFOOT DIES) It also doesn't hold up to ridiculous CGI and eye candy 3D seen in today's 85 minute, get you in and out fast films. Oh my, it's not in 3D and it approaches 2 hours in running time. Give me a break.

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The opening poster's opinion is crap.

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Good call buddylove. It holds up extremely well.
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Nietzsche said that there were no facts,only opinions.of course that was just HIS opinion.

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well said Mr. Miller

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Randall, you forgot something very important in your comment-the word SPOILER!!! I was reading a little about the movie a few minutes before it started, being sure not to read any of the SPOILER(!) comments, and there it was-in black and white-THE ENDING!

I know your post was in 2012, and you most likely won't see this reply, but hopefully by now you've learned what the word SPOILER means and you don't ruin any more movies for unsuspecting readers.

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vicksta10, the word SPOILER!!! is not important at all for older movies; it's only important for new and recent movies.

I know your post was in 2014, and you most likely won't see this reply, but hopefully by now you've learned that the word SPOILER is absolutely unnecessary when discussing older movies.

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There are always good and bad movies, no time period is different. Also, I can't remember the last time I saw an 85 minute movie. Every CGI/3D/Superhero BS is like 3 hours long nowadays.

The OP wasn't a jerk like most are and even said he likes most Eastwood movies from this time. He didn't deserve this kind of response. And spoiler alert sheesh!

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I agree wholeheartedly, with you, SunCanyonRoad. I thought this movie was one of the best buddy films I've ever seen, in fact. It was never predictable and was very gritty, realistic and ironic. It actually had a -Story- and didn't need computerized pyrotechnics, like so many films now-a-days, to hold one's attention with. A gem of a movie, really, and the entire cast was terrific, to boot..... 😍

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It also doesn't hold up to ridiculous CGI and eye candy 3D seen in today's 85 minute, get you in and out fast films.

whereas I agree with most of this I think the 85 minutes comment is a little disengenuous. Most of the eye candy CGI eye poppers seem to come in at 120+. Other than that, you are absolutely correct.

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i was *beep* in diapers in 1974. i saw this movie in 2012 and LOVED IT.

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lol you missed it when it came out and you just got around to seeing it 40 years later?

Hmm what do you mean by "doesn't hold up today"? The fashion and hairstyles are out-of-style? I agree.

But it is an interesting snapshot of a post-Vietnam era in American culture, and of course the themes are never really out-of-date.

I suppose one might say the film has a slow pace. There's not much of a story per se - sure there's the bank heist, but for the most part you're just kind of tagging along with these characters.

I'm still not saying 'Thunderbolt and Lightfoot' is one of Eastwood's best films, but it did take me 2nd and 3rd viewings to appreciate it a little more.

At it's core, I think it's a film about generational gaps. Lightfoot of course is the "Hippie" (for lack of a better word) - free-minded, sexually liberated. The older generation is sexually repressed and seems to resent the young generation for its flamboyancy. Thunderbolt befriends Lightfoot but he stills fails him because he is the one responsible for getting Lightfoot involved in the bank heist.

I can't help but think it's a film that suggests that older generations need to embrace and help guide the youth. Obviously a lot more there than just a "buddy-buddy" movie.

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It certainly did hold up well enough in february this year, at least. Haven´t kept an eye on it eversince though, I must admit.



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Good one Franz. Yep OP I watched it 10 mins ago and it was great - maybe since then it fell to crap, though.

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My friend, I can not believe you are a movie fan to make such a statement regarding this film. You are entitled to your opinion, but the majority of people, myself included regard this movies as a classic. Personally, I dont think its dated at all, I still think its a fabulous take on the underside of the American lifestyle.

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It holds up and my OPINON IS THE ONLY ONE THAT COUNTS.

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I enjoyed this movie more 20 years ago than I do now. It's not really an Eastwood vehicle or his style. In interviews he stated he obviously had some power over it's making but never wanted to do more than 3 takes on any scene. He has said it became more of a Bridges vehicle which bares itself to be true by Bridges Academy nomination but Eastwood didn't like the movie himself, it didn't flow correctly and also felt it wasn't promoted correctly. When I'm in the mood for an old Eastwood film this one isn't one that comes to mind. It's not that it's a bad movie, it just is a little flat. Notice pretty much every movie after this one that Mariposa and Eastwood produced were completely controlled by Eastwood, usually directed by him. He directed 3 of his movies prior to this one. He severed all ties to United Artists because of this film.

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Eastwood can be a bit precious. Two of the best films he ever appeared in (Thunderbolt and Lightfoot and Kelly's Heroes) aren't fondly remembered by him BECAUSE he was upstaged in both films. Both films are great and far better than most of the films he was in.

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Eastwood can be a bit precious. Two of the best films he ever appeared in (Thunderbolt and Lightfoot and Kelly's Heroes) aren't fondly remembered by him BECAUSE he was upstaged in both films. Both films are great and far better than most of the films he was in.


Kelly's Heroes is popular with many people, but to me, it's easily one of the worst films that Eastwood ever appeared in. In fact, it's one of the only Eastwood films that I haven't seen at least three times; when I tried to view it a third time, I dozed off. It's noisy and muddled, and although it may work if you don't try to think about it, therein lies the rub.

Thunderbolt and Lightfoot is a very good, underrated, creative, innovative film. I wouldn't say that it's one of his best (it's not even one of his five best movies from the 1970s, in my eyes), but when you possess a filmography like Eastwood's, the competition is exceedingly stiff.

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Kelly's Heroes is popular with many people, but to me, it's easily one of the worst films that Eastwood ever appeared in. In fact, it's one of the only Eastwood films that I haven't seen at least three times; when I tried to view it a third time, I dozed off. It's noisy and muddled, and although it may work if you don't try to think about it, therein lies the rub.


Kelly's Heroes is great. It's not muddled at all. The story is straightforward and it is told in a straightforward manner. Nothing 'muddled' about it at all. It's full of wonderfully enjoyable characters and the dialogue is to die for. Sutherland, Savalas and Rickles are fantastic. As an entertaining film it is first rate. The only flaw I can see is that the end battle does drag somewhat but its hugely entertaining and engaging overall. Seen it dozens of times. Its better than the majority of Clint's other films. You cannot seriously tell me it is not better than, say, Coogan's Bluff, The Beguiled, Two Mules for Sister Sara, Paint Your Wagon, Joe Kidd, The Eiger Sanction, The Enforcer, The Gauntlet, Every Which Way But Loose, Bronco Billy, Any Which Way You Can, Escape From Alcatraz, Firefox, Honkytonk Man, Sudden Impact, Tightrope, City Heat, Heartbreak Ridge, The Dead Pool, Pale Rider, Pink Cadillac, White Hunter Black Heart, The Rookie, In The Line of Fire, A Perfect World, The Bridges of Madison County, Absolute Power, True Crime, Blood Work, Space Cowboys and Trouble With the Curve???? Some of these films I actually really like and have on DVD but Kelly's Heroes is better than ALL of those films listed. The only films Eastwood has appeared in that can have a remotely serious claim of being better than Kelly's Heroes are less than 10. The Dollars Trilogy, the first Dirty Harry, Josey Wales, Unforgiven, Billion Dollar Baby, Gran Torino. That's it. Kelly's heroes is better than at least 30 other Clint films. The fact that Clint being largely upstaged by his fellow cast is probably the real reason you don't like it. Clint has a back seat in Kelly's Heroes more than even in Thunderbolt and Lightfoot. I love Clint (Dirty Harry and TGTBATU are in my top 20 films alongside T and L and Kelly's Heroes) so I don't say this with relish.

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In addition to his costars & awesome writing let us not forget this musical gem from Lalo Schifrin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ed2vDhNXFPM


EVERY time I think of "Kelly's" or Tanks of any kind (but especially Tiger Tanks!), that cue comes to mind;





Why can't you wretched prey creatures understand that the Universe doesn't owe you anything!?

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Oh yes Lalo Schifrin's score for Kelly's Heroes. Fantastic. And the 'theme' song Burning Bridges by the Mike Curb Congregation is super and very quirky. It doesn't fit with WW2 but I guess that was the whole point. It works damn well in the film which has anachronisms all over the place. But hey, it's a comedy of sorts.

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I enjoyed this movie more 20 years ago than I do now. It's not really an Eastwood vehicle or his style. In interviews he stated he obviously had some power over it's making but never wanted to do more than 3 takes on any scene. He has said it became more of a Bridges vehicle which bares itself to be true by Bridges Academy nomination but Eastwood didn't like the movie himself, it didn't flow correctly and also felt it wasn't promoted correctly. When I'm in the mood for an old Eastwood film this one isn't one that comes to mind. It's not that it's a bad movie, it just is a little flat. Notice pretty much every movie after this one that Mariposa and Eastwood produced were completely controlled by Eastwood, usually directed by him. He directed 3 of his movies prior to this one. He severed all ties to United Artists because of this film.


Many of these comments are inaccurate.

First, Eastwood never stated or indicated that he did not like the movie. To the contrary, he has praised it (see the 2003 documentary A Decade Under the Influence), and he severed all ties with United Artists because he felt that the studio failed to market Thunderbolt and Lightfoot properly and that it thus did not become as big of a hit as it should have been (although it was still a pretty big hit, among the top twenty grossers of 1974: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1974_in_film#Top_grossing_films_.28U.S.. 29).

Second, Eastwood enjoyed working with Michael Cimino so much that, according to Cimino, Eastwood actually offered him a three-picture deal. Cimino, knowing that he wanted to make movies such as The Deer Hunter and Heaven's Gate, turned down the offer, but he and Eastwood still worked together on projects later on, projects that never came to fruition. See page 311 of Richard Schickel's Clint Eastwood: A Biography.

Third, Eastwood never said that he saw the film as a "Bridges vehicle." Eastwood did allow Bridges to 'steal' a number of scenes, he enjoyed what Bridges was doing, and he proved very happy when Bridges received an Academy Award nomination, for never before had an Eastwood movie received an Oscar nomination of any kind. But one of Eastwood's virtues as an actor had long been his ability to create space for other, more manic or vocal performers to deliver mesmerizing and spontaneous performances, such as Eli Wallach in The Good, the Bad and the Ugly, Jessica Walter in Play Misty for Me, and Andy Robinson in Dirty Harry. Bridges very much fit the pattern.

Fourth, I don't see how there are problems with the film's "flow," except for folks who are expecting a more tightly constructed, conventional genre piece, which was never the goal of Thunderbolt and Lightfoot (quite the opposite).

Fifth, Eastwood possessed as much control over this film as any of the other Malpaso productions that he did not direct. Yes, Cimino possessed an individualistic and idiosyncratic voice of his own, as would certainly be affirmed in the years ahead. But since Cimino was a writer realizing his own vision and directing his own script, and since Cimino proved to be a creative, competent, decisive director, Eastwood granted him the freedom to realize that vision. Again, Eastwood liked Cimino and Thunderbolt and Lightfoot so much that he wanted Cimino to be by his side in the years ahead, offering him a three-picture deal. Presumably, Cimino would have directed the Malpaso productions that Eastwood chose not to direct himself (or that Don Siegel did not direct), such as The Enforcer (1976) and Every Which Way but Loose (1978), both directed by James Fargo, and Any Which Way You Can (1980), directed by Buddy Van Horn. But, again, Cimino knew that ultimately, he wanted to make his own movies under his own auspices.

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You are quite correct. Good synopsis.

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"But one of Eastwood's virtues as an actor had long been his ability to create space for other more manic and vocal performers to deliver mesmerizing and spontaneous performances such as Eli Wallach in The Good, The Bad and The Ugly"

That's bs. He didn't want to do that film because he didn't want to be upstaged. He only did it because Sergio Leone offered him much more money and he hadn't yet become as star in his own country.

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It's not really an Eastwood vehicle or his style.


There are a number of aspects in Thunderbolt and Lightfoot that allow it to fit quite comfortably into Eastwood's oeuvre.

1) He plays a drifter, in some ways known by a moniker, on the fringes of society.

2) He plays a drifter in the wide-open spaces of the West. Indeed, there is a bit of a 'modern Western' element to the movie, emphasizing Eastwood's interest in the region even when not playing in an actual Western.

3) The film is largely about social detachment and tenuous social connections.

One could see Thunderbolt and Lightfoot (1974) as a bit of a bridge between the Old West drifters that Eastwood had often played to that juncture of his career and the 'loose ends' characters that would gently roam the rural back roads of Western America a few years later in Every Which Way but Loose (1978), Bronco Billy (1980), Any Which Way You Can (1980), and Honkytonk Man (1982).

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You definitely know your Eastwood!Dito again!

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I guess I am the only one that sort of agrees with you. Nothing great in here, though decent 70s fare. Apart from the two charismatic leads and some directorial touches by Cimino, everything else about the movie is average.

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I just saw it for the first time yesterday, and I really enjoyed it.

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