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Best Kurosawa Film I Have Seen


well i have only seen a few (Ran, Yojimbo, Seven Samurai, Ikiru, Rashomon) but to date I think this is his best. This is the ultimate man/nature movie, hands down, it deserves to be in the top 250. I still don't get why Seven Samurai is #5! Everyone if you like this movie, please vote for it so it will have enough votes to be in the top 250 (its current rating is 8.0)

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"Which is it, is man one of God's blunders or is God one of man's?"
Friedrich Nietzsche

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I agree with you,Dersu Uzala totally deserves to be in the top 250 along with the others you counted...dersu uzala is the most heart touching one of Kurosowa with Red Beard...

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Dersu Uzala + Red Beard were the most moving... and my favorites as well.

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Dersu was the most heart touching, Redbeard the most impressive storytelling.

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I think that Ikiru is more heart touching than Dersu Uzala and Red Beard:

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Agreed. I haven't seen Red Beard yet, but I think Ikiru is more heart-touching than Dersu Uzala, and as good as Red Beard probably is (I want to see it ASAP) I think it'll be hard for anything to compare to Ikiru, for me. I did love Dersu Uzala though and the friendship between Dersu and the Captain was just wonderful throughout the movie, especially when they meet up again.

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This movie was amazing, but I really do have to give the edge to Seven Samurai as the best Kurosawa flic, it's relavence to Japanese History, it's wonderful presentation and great story and acting really does make it one of the best movies ever made.

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Dersu Uzala is utterly beautiful. The time period is genuis, the relevence and importance in Soviet history are breathtaking and the shear emotion of the movie is amazing (try the wheat threshing scene for example).

I think this really is my favorite Kurusawa film.

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I saw Red Beard and most of Kurosawa's other flicks now and this one is still his best. It isn't a "samurai" flick, it works purely on its own. The acting is great (love Dersu!), cinematography is beautiful, and the themes and emotions of the movie are very touching. This one definitely needs to be bumped up into the upper tier of Kurosawa, where Ran, Seven Samurai, Rashomon, and Yojimbo are.

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'This one definitely needs to be bumped up into the upper tier of Kurosawa, where Ran, Seven Samurai, Rashomon, and Yojimbo are. '

to me, it is better than yojimbo.

'Tarantino movies are like arcade style video games. '

indeed, and they seem to be appreciated by juvenile males, as are said video games.




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disagree, tarantino movies are very well done and his style of film-making is very unique (and one that matches with mine)
my fav kurosawas are, in order- ikiru, rashomon, ran, hidden fortress, yojimbo, seven samarui.

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thiz movie iz the best movie of all time...

DEATH IS CERTAIN , LIFE IS NOT...

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I think Tarantino is a juvenile ass clown, but to each his own.

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Mind you, this movie is set before the revolution.

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This is doubtlessly my favorite Akira Kurosawa movie, but I don't know if it's the best. I mostly like it for personal reasons, I guess. I like the way nature is filmed and the colors less "masterful" than in Ran and Kagemusha (I had the feel they were a bit forced as compared to Dersu Uzala).
I would sure love to see Dersu Uzala in the top 250, but I prefer seeing Seven Samurai on the 5th place than most movies, so I won't protest against this :)

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"Gustibus et coloribus non disputandum" and this goes for movies as well ... but i gave Dersu Uzala a 10. Sheer beauty indeed !

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Unfortunately, I've seen only this one, but it's brilliant!

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I second that! Seven Samuai was boring and I actually burst out laughing during Ran, when, after a battle, Ran's (is it him?...it was ages ago!) son is about to die after battle and he keeps saying, "Sapporo! (?)". Then my friend shouts out, in the theater, "Subaru, don't die, your warranty's not up!"

The whole theater erupted laughing...and this in a college town. Needless to say, it was joke city after that and we walked out soon. This did NOT happen with "Dersu", as I fondly call it.

I would NOT call it a man/nature movie That title I would bestow upon "A River Runs Through It", what with all the fishing and gambling and risk-taking. In that film, Paul (the Brad Pitt character) refuses to show much feeling and certainly won't let anyone help him, much less ask for help, as is the case in "Dersu".

Conversely, Dersu AND the Kapitan have very "feminine" qualities, ability to show affection (hugging!), emoting readily and appreciation for nature. This is aptly contrasted by the rugged, untutored "galumphing" of the Kapitan's men! The friendship between Dersu and Kapitan reminds me of Sam and Frodo in "The Lord of the Rings"...to sound what some might consider corny!

The unspoiled beauty of Sibera reminds me of the second-growth forests and rolling hills of northern New England, so it is not the rugged, Rocky-Mountain-manly-man sort of beauty.

Also, Dersu's anguish over the tiger, is, I believe, not just religious, but heartfelt.

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Wow... what can I say. Ran is a masterpiece, I can't believe you were laughing. :)

Seriously, I have seen a lot of Kurosawa movies, it's my favourite film director. I though that Seven Samurai was its best picture, but then I saw Ran and I was blown away! The beginning was a bit slow, I thought it was going to be boring, but then it's amazing! Now I understand why people like Shakespeare! The scene I like the most is the battle when there's absolutely NO sound for several seconds (or minutes?)!! I still can't decide what's the best, Shichinin no Samurai or Ran.

I also like Ikiru, Rashomon, Yojimbo, Sanjuro, The Hidden Fortress, Derzu Uzala.... and Stray Dog was good too. I didn't like too much Raphsody in August, Madadayo nor Dreams (there are 2 or 3 dreams that are really good---the soldier in the tunnel dream is great--- but the others aren't as good, IMHO, of course).

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Interesting that this film is so popular - I found it to be the most disappointing of the Kurosawa films I've seen. Some of the cinematography was beautiful (the scene with the frozen lake floored me), but the story seemed too simple and sentimental, and some parts (mostly the ones at the end at Arsenyev's(sp?) house) looked like they had to have been made by assistant directors, not Kurosawa. I'd probably give it a 7.

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I am very much looking forward to seeing Dersu Uzala again here soon, as I have not seen it since the late-70s. I just saw Ikiru and loved it....especially for its powerful emotional element.

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Well, I loved seeing this movie. I have a hard time pinning down what is so appealing to me. Yes, the cinematography is wonderful.....the frozen lake sequence particularly.
It is special. I may have to come back and write more once it settles in more. I'd love to see this movie get the Criterion treatment. Along with a better print and soundtrack, a commentary is something I'd hope for.

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I think this movie captures beautifully the world changing, and "Man" changing....or rather, changed and Dersu represents the last of a dying breed....a mankind that was once integrally part of the natural world. I understand the standard of living progress and civilization has brought to us all, that it's likely I would never have lived to my current age living without the advantages of modernity.....but I love the depiction of a character who reads the landscape the way we today read papers and blogs on the internet.
I prefer to live closer to wild landscapes than I do here in suburbs. Dersu Uzala reminds me of what is lost when we turn our back on The Wild, when we do not respect The Wild, when we remove ourself so far from The Wild.

That, I think, is why I so enjoy this movie. It is one of my favorite Kurosawa films.

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What the hell are you talking about? I don't know what you mean by assistant directors, but just because it didn't have the clinical precision of ran or rashoman doesnt mean its clumsy or amateurish. In many ways the camera work mimicks the rough nature of the scenes it portrays, and can you imagine hauling camera gear around the wilderness in all seasons? Tracking shots along the river, frantically searching and panning back and forth to the men on the banks and dersu and kapitan in the soup, shots in the mud, panicked jumps back and forth as they cut wheat in the blizzard. You have got to be kidding, this film's cinematography is gorgeous, especially considering the conditions. You wanna talk about influence on lucas? How about the REAL shot framing the sun and the moon as dersu talks about their power. The only time the camera steadies is when they return to the city, then you get the slow shots, tripods are finally being used, everything is in order. This heightens the distinctions between life in the city and the wild. One more, campfire as dersu comtemplates his family's death, kapitan steps out of the shadows and into the path of the fire and the old man. Do you think this is some assistant director f'ing around? I do not, sir.

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I disagree, but you are entitled to your opinion. The main thing I sense here is that you have a set of expectations for a Kurosawa film and this did not check those boxes. But it never intended to, it was filmed in a set of circumstances that differed completely from any of his other films, and indeed probably any other in history. I think you also were not listening to the dialogue from the omniscient character, which was nature itself. Dersu calls them men, so that's a big hint, but nature plays a much larger role in this film than any of his others, as the active character it is in life. As to the human characters dialogue, it is minimal but effective, generally because the omnipresent character in the background easily drowns them out.

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I would NOT call it a man/nature movie That title I would bestow upon "A River Runs Through It", what with all the fishing and gambling and risk-taking. In that film, Paul (the Brad Pitt character) refuses to show much feeling and certainly won't let anyone help him, much less ask for help, as is the case in "Dersu".

Conversely, Dersu AND the Kapitan have very "feminine" qualities, ability to show affection (hugging!), emoting readily and appreciation for nature. This is aptly contrasted by the rugged, untutored "galumphing" of the Kapitan's men! The friendship between Dersu and Kapitan reminds me of Sam and Frodo in "The Lord of the Rings"...to sound what some might consider corny!
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With all due respect, I feel that "Dersu Uzala" is one of the most masculine films I have ever seen!

Men who have strong bonds, trust, and deep respect for each other will often display the kinds of emotion that you have typified as "feminine" (hugging, emoting readily, an appreciation for nature). This form of masculinity is primarily found in group situations where one can allow his "guard" to be down.

What you are contrasting as "masculine" (not showing feeling, not asking for help, untutored galumphing) is but merely another form of display in the same masculine continuum. This would primarily be found in group situations where one needs his "guard" to be up.

You call Paul's refusal to ask for help in "A River Runs Through It" as "masculine." It isn't. But neither is Dersu's ultimately successful struggle to ask for help from the Captain "feminine" (I'm thinking of the touching scene in which Dersu asks for bullets in order to hunt sable). If you will recall, it took extreme effort on Dersu's part to finally ask for help, as would have been the case for Paul if he had even tried. Paul's ultimate inability to ask for help contrasted with Dersu's having to confront a deep sense of shame in order to successfully ask for help are both part of the same masculine continuum (one is not "masculine" and the other "feminine"). Whether or not anyone would ask for help is more a matter of that individual's strengths or weaknesses rather than so-called gender designations.

The display of affection between Dersu and the Captain is the result of the most ultimate masculine bond between two men: deep respect, trust, and friendship. While this level of friendship may seem rare among men (certainly in today's media, that's for sure), it really isn't all that uncommon (or less masculine). It's just not currently fashionable to give it it's due these days...

Men are not women, and women are not men. I feel both sexes are diminished by modern society's quest to determine equality between the two by defining the strengths and weaknesses of each as appropriations from the other. Weak women and strong women are both feminine. Weak men and strong men are both masculine.

I laugh or cry, feel joy or grief, have my guard up or down, enjoy the calming scent of pine or clown around in the forest. Sometimes I ask for help, sometimes I don't. None of this makes me any more feminine or any less masculine.

"Gravity is a harsh mistress." -Tick

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after a battle, Ran's (is it him?...it was ages ago!) son is about to die after battle and he keeps saying, "Sapporo! (?)". Then my friend shouts out, in the theater, "Subaru, don't die, your warranty's not up!"

Beer, college kids and foreign films...a bad combination. I hope you didn't operate any motor vehicles after the show. Anway, doesn't Saburo die at the very end of the film? The end of a film generally is the best time to walk out of a theater.

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So Saburo didn't die...it was the kind of line (and subsequent joke) that releases tension having built up after extreme boredom and frustration, and terrible continuity in lighting (e.g. cloudy, light, cloudy, sunny- in the same scene).

I wasn't a "college kid", or drunk or high (can't speak for my friend). We were just VERY, VERY bored during "Ran". Other people may been too. I would ordinarily agree with the "best time to walk out of the theater", unless it's very bad, very boring, or both...which was my assessment and my friend's. We were being very nice by leaving, for the jokes could have gone on and bugged lots of people. I thought of this viewing when, recently, I did NOT walk out of "The Hobbit"!

"To each his own", as the saying goes.

She deserves her revenge, and we deserve to die.

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Hey Lava-Rocks,

Thanks for the props! I wish I'd thought of that one, but it cracked me up. My friend has a bizarre sense of humor (and wasn't too happy that I'd made him see that film!).


She deserves her revenge, and we deserve to die.

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I've seen 13-14 Kurosawa films and I think this is indeed not only the best Kurosawa movie, but one of the best works of cinema in existence, period.

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I think Dersu Uzala is a wonderful story of comradeship and survivalists and is expertly acted, directed and photographed. It's good to see the film is well received here because on the basis of some movie review books I have read the critical response to the film appears to be underwhelming. It's been a while since I have seen a Kurosawa film but I do not agree at all that it is his best. Looking back at my imdb ratings of his films I would have to say I have preference for Sanjuro, High and Low, Ran, The Hidden Fortress, Throne of Blood, Seven Samurai and Ikiru.

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