Is the actor/singer supposed to be Sinatra?
Who is the movie studio head supposed to be?
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It was never explicitly expressed, but there are a lot of similarities between Johnny Fontaine and Frank Sinatra.
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Yes, In the director comentary of the DVD Coppola make some reference to this character be inspired by Sinatra, Mario Puzo took a lot of real history and adapt in the novel even Jack Woltz is inspired in a real person
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sharemy understanding is that by the time Sinatra wanted to go solo, his celebrity status and clout within the industry were such that he could persuade radio stations not to play Tommy Dorsey or ask his bobby-soxer fans not to buy their records etc if he didn't release him from the contract.
So there were ways to strong arm the band leader without threatening violence or sending mob-men around. Still a great story though
Sinatra was pushing for the role of Vito. Quite a star studded lineup of actors wanting that role. Earnest Borgnine, Bert Lancaster.
Sinatra was too old in 1972 for the Johnny role. Al Martino was almost too old at age 45 to be playing some teen heart throb but Sinatra at age 57 was way too old.
I think the movie role he wanted was for "From here to eternity", which Sinatra eventually got.
shareJohnny Fontaine was supposed to be Frank Sinatra and Jack Woltz was supposed to be Columbia studio chief Harry Cohn. (Any number of celebrities have been quoted as saying that they came to Harry Cohn's funeral "because when you give the public what they want, they'll come" or "to make sure the SOB was dead."
The novel spent a LOT of pages on Johnny Fontaine, and Hollywood, including some pages with his pal "Nino"(clearly based on Dean Martin) and Nino's sexual affair with an actress who mainly played nice mother types(not stated but Dean Martin DID have an affair with June Allyson.)
Fontaine also has a slutty Holllywood actress wife -- based on Ava Gardner -- and Fontaine's troubles with her made it into the movie when Johnny cries to Don Vito about his wife and gets slapped in return("You can be a man!")
Coppola's expert edit of the novel got rid of almost everything in the "Johnny Fontaine story" -- Nino and the fictional versions of June Allyson and Ava Gardner got the heave ho.
What remained was Johnny talking to the Godfather at the wedding and Johnny (smiling but nervous) signing a contract in Vegas with Michael to perform in the mob's casino ("Maybe you can convince your Hollywood friends to come along.")
PS. There is a fair amount of scholarship out there that neither a horse's head, nor the Mafia, got Sinatra his comeback role in From Here to Eternity. It was pencilled in for Eli Wallach, but Harry Cohn's wife felt that the role needed a more wimpy guy to get beaten up in the stockcade by "Fatso Judson"( Ernest Borgnine.)
Another similarity: Fontane won an Oscar for his role in Woltz's movie, Sinatra won an Oscar for his role in From Here To Eternity.
Francis Ford Coppola made extensive notes and analyzed each scene fully before shooting began. For the scene where Vito is brought home from the hospital, he planned that one of the props in Vito's bedroom would be "[a]n autographed picture of Johnny Fontane in FROM HERE TO ETERNITY." I don't know if such a picture is in the scene, though.
Another similarity: Fontane won an Oscar for his role in Woltz's movie, Sinatra won an Oscar for his role in From Here To Eternity.
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Yes. I'm reminded that for all of the classic storytelling in Puzo's novel of The Godfather, he evidently felt compelled to slather the book in sex scenes -- that's how certain books were REQUIRED to be written back then; unlike movies they didn't have ratings.
And so: when Fontane wins the Oscar in The Godfather, there's a wild party/orgy afterwards where he is egged on to have sex in public, in front of the other guests, with the female Oscar winner from the same film. As I recall, he begs off. But it was quite a sordid scene. The Godfather has a LOT of sordid scenes that Coppola simply took out for the movie.
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Francis Ford Coppola made extensive notes and analyzed each scene fully before shooting began. For the scene where Vito is brought home from the hospital, he planned that one of the props in Vito's bedroom would be "[a]n autographed picture of Johnny Fontane in FROM HERE TO ETERNITY." I don't know if such a picture is in the scene, though.
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I guess it would have to be a photo of a movie with another title in the film; but I don't recall if it made it.
Coppola already had an Oscar for Patton and was well-regarded as a writer. His notes on The Godfather show a man who really approached the project with THOUGHT. What to keep in, what to take out, what to "merge." And an overridden sense of other elements than story -- themes, atmosphere.
> when Fontane wins the Oscar in The Godfather, there's a wild party/orgy afterwards where he is egged on to have sex in public, in front of the other guests, with the female Oscar winner from the same film. As I recall, he begs off.
It goes a little differently. With Vito incapacitated and unable to directly act, Fontane believed his chances of getting an Oscar were slim to none. He asked Nino to come with him to the awards ceremony, saying "You're the only guy who'll really feel sorry for me if I don't win." Nino, startled, agreed to. He then added, "If you don't win, forget it. Just get as drunk as you can and I'll take care of you. Hell, I won't even drink myself tonight." To Fontane's complete surprise, he won the award. At the party afterward, Nino kept his promise and didn't drink, while Johnny got more and more smashed. Finally someone proposed the public mating of the two winners. The actress was stripped down, then some women started to undress Fontane. Then Nino, the only sober person there, grabbed the half-naked Johnny, carried him out to the car, and drove him home.
One slight difference between real life and art -- Fontane's award was for best actor, whereas Sinatra's was for best supporting actor.
> [Francis Ford Coppola's] notes on The Godfather show a man who really approached the project with THOUGHT. What to keep in, what to take out, what to "merge." And an overridden sense of other elements than story -- themes, atmosphere.
Sounds like you've seen his notes. There's a little bit of them shown in Jenny Jones's "The Annotated Godfather," another great resource for fans. https://www.amazon.com/Annotated-Godfather-Screenplay-Jenny-Jones/dp/1579127398/
When I looked up that link for a post here a few days ago, I saw that Coppola's "bible" that he prepared when developing the movie is also available. https://www.amazon.com/Godfather-Notebook-Francis-Ford-Coppola/dp/1682450740/
I had no idea that was available and went ahead and bought the Kindle edition. It took me a few long days to work my way through the notes, over 700 pages. A lot of great stuff in there.
> when Fontane wins the Oscar in The Godfather, there's a wild party/orgy afterwards where he is egged on to have sex in public, in front of the other guests, with the female Oscar winner from the same film. As I recall, he begs off.
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It goes a little differently.
" The actress was stripped down, then some women started to undress Fontane. Then Nino, the only sober person there, grabbed the half-naked Johnny, carried him out to the car, and drove him home."
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Wow. There it is . The whole "scene" from the book. And Nino is the hero. As I have noted, Coppola may have felt that Fontane(Sinatra) was important enough to keep in the movie, but Dean Martin...no way, no need. And as you can read...that was some sex-heavy book. REALLY sex-heavy. There was another novelist named Harold Robbins who wrote these kind of "sex bestsellers" and got rather cleaned-up movies made from them: The Carpetbaggers, The Adventurers and (with the R rating that was helpful) The Betsy.
Puzo seemed out to match Harold Robbins with his book, but Coppola knew that even if it was a hit, an oversexed Godfather that played like The Carpetbaggers wasn't going to be a "serious classic." I think that was one thing that shocked the critics -- in a good way. Coppola sacrificed all that sex to make a film that HAD to be taken seriously.
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One slight difference between real life and art -- Fontane's award was for best actor, whereas Sinatra's was for best supporting actor.
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Well, I guess Puzo in his fantasy world could make sure that Johnny did better than Frankie. Thus , Don Vito got his movie pal an even bigger prize with that horse head.
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> [Francis Ford Coppola's] notes on The Godfather show a man who really approached the project with THOUGHT. What to keep in, what to take out, what to "merge." And an overridden sense of other elements than story -- themes, atmosphere.
Sounds like you've seen his notes. There's a little bit of them shown in Jenny Jones's "The Annotated Godfather," another great resource for fans. https://www.amazon.com/Annotated-Godfather-Screenplay-Jenny-Jones/dp/1579127398/
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I've seen some of the notes, somewhere. Maybe in this source. I appreciate ALL the sources you have given me(us) here.
I think that these notes show us that truly great movies don't just appear "out of thin air." Coppola took his adaptation role very seriously, put a lot of thought and a lot of plain hard WORK into converting a good(somewhat trashy) novel into a great film that was at once entertainment and art.
After a decade of long drawn-out three hour epics, one critic wrote of The Godfather: "Its the fastest three hours you will ever enjoy sitting through." True. Coppola used the book's structure and did it even better: one great big opening wedding scene to introduce all the key characters and "set up " the family ...and then scene after great scene after that set up, all of the scenes "punctuated by gory murders" -- thus edging The Godfather into the horror realm as much as the gangster movie. But the gore in the movie -- like the sex taken away from the book -- never got in the way of the serious tale of family, business, and government.
> There was another novelist named Harold Robbins who wrote these kind of "sex bestsellers"
I hadn't thought of Harold Robbins in years. I've never read any of his books but have certainly heard of him. Yes, he was notorious!
> Coppola took his adaptation role very seriously, put a lot of thought and a lot of plain hard WORK into [it]
He described his preparations this way. First he cut each page out of his paperback copy of The Godfather -- except for the parts he already knew he wouldn't use, like the Lucy/Jules love story -- then glued it on to a 8-1/2" by 11" piece of blank paper which he had cut the center out of, so that both sides of the novel's page could be seen. These pages would eventually be organized in a loose leaf notebook, so he punched holes at the edge of each page. But the resulting document had to be durable enough to last through many months of production, so he also reinforced each page's holes and took some other precautions. So it took him many tedious hours to prepare this. But he said that was a good thing, because during those long hours he was also ruminating over ideas on how to handle the story.
Then he went through the novel, underlining things he thought were important and that he wanted to use, making notes in the space around it on the blank paper. For example, at Connie's wedding, when Bonasera offers to pay Vito to kill his daughter's attackers, FFC noted, "Wow! Is that the wrong thing to say." He apparently wanted to be as faithful as possible to the novel in the parts he didn't have to drop or alter. When Luca Brasi was garroted, he voided his bowels. In the margin, Coppola wrote, "He shits. How can I imply this?" (Later, when Carlo was garroted, he wrote, "Whenever the garrot is used -- the victim shits.")
Then he planned out a five act (not paralleling the novel's acts), fifty scene structure for the movie. After that, he analyzed each scene on five criteria. The "synopsis," what happens in the scene. "The times," how the 1940s/1950s period should be reflected in the scene. "Imagery and tone," the scene's ... well, imagery and tone. "The core," the idea(s) the scene had to convey.
The final criteria was "Pitfalls," ways the scene could be screwed up, traps he had to avoid falling into. For example, in the novel's final chapter we learn that Kay has converted to Catholicism and now goes to Mass with Mama Corleone every day, where both women pray for mercy for their husbands' souls. Scene 50 was to show Kay in a church, silently lighting candles, part of this ritual, as the closing credits of the movie scrolled. But without some prior explanation, the audience wouldn't understand what she was doing and why. So, Scene 45 was to be Kay driving Mama to church, then Mama convinces Kay to come in with her instead of waiting outside, where Kay (and we) see Mama praying and lighting candles, then answering (explaining to us) when Kay asks why she does that. Part of this scene's "Pitfalls" reads (with typos and such corrected -- FFC could be a sloppy typist):
CORNY, CORNY, CORNY. Somehow I must take the edge off this. Watch out for Mama, talking lik-a dis. Maybe she hardly has an accent? That would be brutal if she falls into THE MAMA CLICHE. I warn you now Francis, the Mama mia cliche will be devastating.
Despite all that meticulous planning, the movie was different in many ways from what he planned. Although Scene 50 ended up on the cutting room floor, it was used for the final credits of The Godfather Saga later; but I don't think Scene 45 was ever filmed at all. There was a lot of detail from the book he planned to include but didn't -- had he, the movie probably would have been four hours instead of three. And he had some good plot twists he had to drop. For example, at Vito's funeral, Barzini approached Clemenza and said he was interested in a peace conference; when Clemenza passed that on, the Corleones mistakenly believed he was the traitor.
Anyway, I've blabbed on long enough. The Kindle edition of The Godfather Notebook cost $30, but I consider it money well spent.
> There was another novelist named Harold Robbins who wrote these kind of "sex bestsellers"
I hadn't thought of Harold Robbins in years. I've never read any of his books but have certainly heard of him. Yes, he was notorious!
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Yes. He was . For all of the historical impact of the movies getting the R and X ratings in 1968, many American bestsellers(though not 'good' novels) were R/X ...and more in the 60s, as sexually titillated adult readers "dug" reading sex scenes on the page involving characters who could be as bad as they wanted to be, sexually-- "real" actors didn't have to play them.
Jaqueline Susann got into Robbins-ville with Valley of the Dolls -- THAT movie shows you how bad (if campy) The Godfather could have been. But it also shows you that a Hollywood movie could never be as overtly sexual (even with an R rating) as any bestseller.
Enter The Godfather. Coppola was presented with a book that was practically "wall to wall" with sex scenes and seems to have made an early decision(likely backed by Paramount) -- to take almost all of them out.
The sex scenes that remained in were "tamed" and usually were important to the story. Sonny banging Lucy the bridesmaid against the door was a lollapalooza of porn-prose (page 28-29 of the paperback, I believe) that became a sexy-enough gag in the movie, but of importance. Don Vito is upset Sonny's not around; Tom dutifully goes to get him ; upon Sonny's return to the meeting, the Don dresses him down talking to Fontane("A man who does not spend time with his family is not a man") and later raises the topic again suggesting that Sonny's fooling around "is making your brain soft?"
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CONT The other sex scene from the book that stayed in the movie was Michael's wedding night with Apollonia...but no sex was shown, just tasteful nudity. Again, important to the story. (And Michael's earlier sex scene with Kay was cut -- thus keeping Kay "chaste" forever in the series, even with kids.)
Everything else -- Johnny and Nino and "Lucy and Jules in Vegas"(practically an entire "book" within the book devoted to sex) -- thrown out.
Side-bar: even the novel of Jaws had a sex scene and it would have sunk the movie. In the book, Hopper isn't bookish Richard Dreyfuss, he's a young stud(Jan Michael Vincent, maybe?) And he gets it on with Chief Brody's WIFE! Lots of descriptive sex.
Spielberg dropped the scene, the adultery, the stud Hooper(and his fights on the boat with Brody -- can you imagine, Quint as the PEACEMAKER?) One reason that Hooper DOES get eaten in the shark cage in the book is because he was an a-hole.
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> Coppola took his adaptation role very seriously, put a lot of thought and a lot of plain hard WORK into [it]
He described his preparations this way. First he cut each page out of his paperback copy of The Godfather -- except for the parts he already knew he wouldn't use, like the Lucy/Jules love story --
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Ha. Lucy/Jules were just thrown out from the get-go. Good idea. I recall James Caan joking around to the audience on the Merv Griffin show, "yeah, we took some stuff out. You aren't gonna get the stuff in Vegas."
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then glued it on to a 8-1/2" by 11" piece of blank paper which he had cut the center out of, so that both sides of the novel's page could be seen. These pages would eventually be organized in a loose leaf notebook, so he punched holes at the edge of each page. But the resulting document had to be durable enough to last through many months of production, so he also reinforced each page's holes and took some other precautions. So it took him many tedious hours to prepare this. But he said that was a good thing, because during those long hours he was also ruminating over ideas on how to handle the story.
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The Godfather surprisingly came out of the 1972 Oscars "a little light." Most of the love went to Cabaret. Godfather won only 3 awards. But The Godfather won the Big One -- Picture ; Brando properly won for his comeback and for a new movie icon; and Coppola most deservedly won for Best Adapted Screenplay. Your detail about "how he did it" tells us exactly why. Coppola should have won for Best Director too -- but had to wait til 1974 and Godfather II to get it. Pacino? Shoulda won for Godfather II, or Serpico, or Dog Day Afternoon, or maybe even Scarface but -- other people won instead.
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So, Scene 45 was to be Kay driving Mama to church, then Mama convinces Kay to come in with her instead of waiting outside, where Kay (and we) see Mama praying and lighting candles, then answering (explaining to us) when Kay asks why she does that. Part of this scene's "Pitfalls" reads (with typos and such corrected -- FFC could be a sloppy typist):
CORNY, CORNY, CORNY. Somehow I must take the edge off this. Watch out for Mama, talking lik-a dis. Maybe she hardly has an accent? That would be brutal if she falls into THE MAMA CLICHE. I warn you now Francis, the Mama mia cliche will be devastating.
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"I warn you now, Francis." Ha...warning HIMSELF. But look at the care he gave to that comparatively minor moment in the movie.
Any number of bad movies -- or movies that could have been great but became only good -- ended up that way because writers wrote corny scenes and directors did not cut them. Somehow Airport -- from another bestseller -- comes to mind. The movie had some, good, serious scenes...but more than a few corny ones.
Despite all that meticulous planning, the movie was different in many ways from what he planned.
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I suppose even with Coppola's perfect adaptation(including a fair amount of cut material), after all that was just him, alone with a book and his cut and paste materials.
Once he had to MAKE it, other considerations came in: the actors' opinions and their performances; studio pressure; inability to film certain things due to schedule or budget. And probably NEW ideas from Coppola, on the spot.
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Although Scene 50 ended up on the cutting room floor, it was used for the final credits of The Godfather Saga later;
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Hmm...Coppola was given one of the first examples of the "Directors Cut" by being able to make Godfather II and Godfather III and the Godfather Saga (I can't remember, did that come after III?)
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but I don't think Scene 45 was ever filmed at all.
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There are a lot of famous movies whose scripts have scenes not in the movie and the question is always: was that scene ever SHOT? Often I think the answer is: no. But its still in the first script.
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There was a lot of detail from the book he planned to include but didn't -- had he, the movie probably would have been four hours instead of three.
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That was a real issue. How many times a day a theater can show a movie; how patient the audience will be.
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And he had some good plot twists he had to drop. For example, at Vito's funeral, Barzini approached Clemenza and said he was interested in a peace conference; when Clemenza passed that on, the Corleones mistakenly believed he was the traitor.
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AHA. That pays off in that great moment:
Tom: Tessio? I always thought that Clemenza would be the traitor.
Michael: No. Tessio is smarter than Clemenza. It was the smart move.
I think I like that scene "as is" with out the scene with Clemenza.
I've never read anything by Harold Robbins or Jacqueline Susann. I tried reading Peyton Place, by Grace Metalious. I've heard it's supposed to be pretty racy in places, but I didn't make it to those parts; I got bored with it and never finished the book. I did read Jaws shortly after seeing the movie, and now that you mention it I recall the Hooper/Mrs. Brody affair and that Hooper dies, but I don't remember much else.
You're right, everything serves the story FFC wanted to tell. The first time he read The Godfather he didn't think much of it, but when he read it again he discerned the story within that would become the movie -- family and business intertwined, and so on. The one part he dropped that he didn't want to was the flashback sections describing Vito's rise to power -- which would become half of GF2. The reason for dropping it was budget constraints. He had a hard enough time getting the movie made at all; the studio wanted to move the story to St. Louis and put it in the (then) present day, both in order to save money.
>> Despite all that meticulous planning, the movie was different in many ways from what he planned.
> Once he had to MAKE it, other considerations came in: the actors' opinions and their performances; studio pressure; [etc]
I have to half retract, half amplify my earlier statement. There was a lot of material described in the notes which wasn't in the movie. But at the end of the day, I don't know what he was really thinking -- he was making those notes for his own use and wouldn't have written down things he was already aware of. For all I know, his unwritten assumption may have been, "I know I won't use most of this but if I want to elaborate on an idea or lengthen a scene for other reasons I can do it this way." In fact I think that's more likely -- he had to have known he couldn't possibly include everything he was making notes on.
Regarding scene 45 -- the reason I'm assuming it was never filmed is that I'm pretty sure I've never seen it, even though I've watched all the "deleted scenes" on the DVD and seen The Godfather Saga a couple of times (it incorporates some deleted scenes).
The Godfather Saga was a TV miniseries made in the late 1970s. They took the two movies and rearranged the scenes in strict chronological order. Overall a good effort, but the parallel and contrast between Vito and Michael in GF2 is somewhat lost by arranging things this way. And using the deleted scenes led to some odd results, since FFC seems to have either changed his mind about things while shooting or left his options open to edit in different ways. For example, there's a deleted scene where Tom, Vito, and Sonny are in a room discussing how to deal with Jack Woltz. Then Tom goes to Hollywood and is refused by Woltz, who gets the horse-head treatment. Then we get Tom discussing the outcome and the new Sollozzo business with Sonny and Vito -- dressed exactly the same and in the same room. The impression given is that Vito and Sonny haven't moved at all during the entire time Tom went to Hollywood!
I've never read anything by Harold Robbins or Jacqueline Susann.
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Nor I. But I read ABOUT them, and the salaciousness of the authors' prose. And Robbins WAS mentioned in some Godfather reviews as "the movie that might have been" with a lesser writer and director on board.
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I tried reading Peyton Place, by Grace Metalious. I've heard it's supposed to be pretty racy in places, but I didn't make it to those parts; I got bored with it and never finished the book
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Ha. A very racy book , evidently, that became a rather tame 1957 movie and an even tamer 60's TV series(though Mia Farrow and Ryan O'Neal launched from there.)
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I did read Jaws shortly after seeing the movie, and now that you mention it I recall the Hooper/Mrs. Brody affair and that Hooper dies, but I don't remember much else.
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As I recall, it simply wasn't as good a novel as The Godfather; it was a hit "beach paperback" in the summer of 1974 and the movie came out like clockwork one year and one summer later. Still, it had the High Concept idea of a killer great white shark in Your Town, USA, three lead male characters who could be refashioned into men we care about, and that great title.
You're right, everything serves the story FFC wanted to tell.
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I think so. A couple of sex scenes instead of 30 or so -- but they mattered.
And Coppola ruthlessly excised some scenes of violence and payback. For instance, in the book, we see the two young punks who beat up Buonsera's daugther get beaten bloody(but not dead) by the Don's men.
I think also in the book, we see Enzo get killed after fleeing Italy to NYC.
One scene that was filmed and deleted made Jack Woltz a more evil and deserving victim of that horse head: the one with the young underage girl pimped out by her mother to Woltz , and seen after as a disheveled mess by Tom Hagen before he leaves Woltz's home. This was in the book and I've seen the scene somewhere.
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The first time he read The Godfather he didn't think much of it, but when he read it again he discerned the story within that would become the movie -- family and business intertwined, and so on.
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That story WAS there, all the time. Its rather weird that Puzo spent almost as much time on Fontane(Sinatra) and the Vegas couple as the "good story." It seems weirdly clear that Puzo decided to write a sex-drenched guess-the-celebrity bestseller and then accidentally saw it become a great film.
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The one part he dropped that he didn't want to was the flashback sections describing Vito's rise to power -- which would become half of GF2. The reason for dropping it was budget constraints.
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I personally didn't miss it. I felt it had slowed down the novel. Came Godfather II, Coppola could film it -- which is why Godfather II is HALF still Godfather I. Interesting to me: sequels weren't inevitable in the early 70's. We just might have had only the one Godfather in a different era -- with Vito's early years left on the page.
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The Godfather Saga was a TV miniseries made in the late 1970s. They took the two movies and rearranged the scenes in strict chronological order.
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OK. I remember that now! Godfather III was over a decade away.
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Overall a good effort, but the parallel and contrast between Vito and Michael in GF2 is somewhat lost by arranging things this way.
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I remember that "not working."
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And using the deleted scenes led to some odd results, since FFC seems to have either changed his mind about things while shooting or left his options open to edit in different ways. For example, there's a deleted scene where Tom, Vito, and Sonny are in a room discussing how to deal with Jack Woltz. Then Tom goes to Hollywood and is refused by Woltz, who gets the horse-head treatment. Then we get Tom discussing the outcome and the new Sollozzo business with Sonny and Vito -- dressed exactly the same and in the same room. The impression given is that Vito and Sonny haven't moved at all during the entire time Tom went to Hollywood!
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Hmmm...sounds like FFC should have better left that alone!
> Nor I. But I read ABOUT [Robbins and Susann]
I never did that, but it wasn't necessary. In those days, merely watching a normal amount of television ensured hearing about them. I said earlier Robbins was notorious; same for Susann.
> [Peyton Place was a] very racy book , evidently
I wonder if that still holds up today. I'm thinking of two movies made circa 1970 which I didn't see until much later, after 2000 IIRC -- Rosemary's Baby and Deliverance. During their initial theater runs both were reputed to be extremely shocking, but viewed through jaded, modern eyes both struck me as quite tame -- worth a PG rating (but what movie isn't) but not even close to an R rating. I thought, "That's it?" I also didn't see The Exorcist until long after its release and although I thought it held up better, I had the same reaction to a lesser degree.
Another sex-shocker from that era was Mandingo, written by Kyle Onstott in the late 1950s; later made into a movie in 1975. It's set on an Alabama plantation in the 1830s. Onstott, born in the 1880s, did not intend the novel to be an accurate depiction of slavery; instead he took the worst and most bizarre stories he had ever heard and went from there. One present day commentator noted the reaction to the novel this way (paraphrased). "This book has incest. It has torture. There's so much alcoholism that a reader is likely to get a contact buzz. A man is murdered by being immersed in boiling water. It even has nude men biting chunks out of each other. And yet -- the thing that shocked 1950s readers more than anything else was that a black man and white woman had sex. Wow!"
Wow indeed. People had different standards back then.
> [Jaws] simply wasn't as good a novel as The Godfather
I recall my reaction when I read it was that it was OK, nothing more. I never re-read it nor felt a desire to, whereas I've revisited Puzo's novel several times. So although I don't recall Benchley's novel in detail I agree with you.
> And Coppola ruthlessly excised some scenes of violence and payback. For instance, in the book, we see the two young punks who beat up Buonsera's daugther get beaten bloody(but not dead) by the Don's men.
He originally planned to include that. In his notes, scenes 5 through 8 are "Woltz's Limo and Estate," "Gatto and the Beating," Hagen's Meeting with the Don and Sonny," and "Woltz's Bedroom." From his notes on scene 6:
In the previous scene we have the Don handle one of his promises in a cagey, wiley, but essentially reasonable way. Now, just as we are coming to love, and be fascinated with the old man and what he stands for, we are given another side of it, and though we see some justice in it, we are repelled.
This a professional job; it must be just enough, but not too much. [...] each blow of terrifying violence, but carefully and precisely placed.
[Ways this scene could fail include] going soft; not going heavy enough; it's the first real violence in the film, and must be shocking, or else the contradicting nature of the Don will not be in evidence, and everyone will think he's a kindly old man.
> It seems weirdly clear that Puzo decided to write a sex-drenched guess-the-celebrity bestseller and then accidentally saw it become a great film.
From what I've heard, he wrote it for one reason only -- he was near broke and wanted to make a pile of money.
> sounds like FFC should have better left that alone!
I'm guessing that FFC didn't know which Tom/Sonny/Vito scene he'd use -- before or after Tom visits Woltz -- so he filmed both. He certainly didn't intend to use both, just one or the other.
The Godfather Saga contains deleted scenes from both GF1 and GF2. For example, there's a scene with young Hyman Rothstein being advised by older mobsters to change his name to Hyman Roth -- IIRC, in order to better blend into conventional American society.
> I think also in the book, we see Enzo get killed after fleeing Italy to NYC.
No, Enzo disappears from the story after the scene at the hospital. You might be confusing him with Fabrizio. Enzo was the employee and later son-in-law of Nazorine the baker; one of the men who asked favors of Vito at Connie's wedding. Enzo and Nazorine's daughter had fallen in love, but Enzo was to be deported back to Italy (he had been captured in the war and was in NYC as a POW, but apparently was in some sort of "work release" program). Nazorine asked the Don to arrange for Enzo to become a US citizen. Vito agreed but said it would take a special act of Congress which would cost $2000.
Later, when Michael found Vito unguarded at the hospital, Enzo, who had come to visit Vito and pay his respects, insisted on helping guard Vito until the Corleones could send in replacements. He was the guy standing with Michael in front of the hospital when the car (Sollozzo?) drove by. I'm pretty sure that's the last time he's in the book.
Fabrizio was the shepherd who put the bomb in the car that killed Apollonia. Later, he had a pizza parlor in the US; in Buffalo. NY IIRC. In the book he was killed by gunshot. IIRC, in the movie he's killed by a car bomb -- fitting justice -- but I don't remember whether or not that was in the movie or was a deleted scene.
Whooops! I meant Fabrizio....of course I know who "good ol' Enzo" was..."I come to help..for your father, for your father." Such a nice character...but he couldn't hold a cigarette steady to save his fearful soul. Michael was much more cool and steady, he could hold the cigarettes still for Enzo AND him, and light them...and realized "it means something." He's a Mafia man...
I'll leave my mistake standing because your correction is so eloquent.
Meanwhile, I think a saw a photo of the actor who plays FABRIZZIO all bloody in one of the "making of The Godfather books." He looked shotgunned rather than blown up....but I've been wrong before. Its just a memory of a photo.
A few days ago I mentioned inflation in a post here. I've forgotten whether I was replying to you or someone else, and I can't find that post now, so if I'm repeating myself, sorry about that.
With 75+ years having passed between the setting (Connie's wedding was in August 1945) and the present day, the dollar amounts aren't familiar to modern readers. According the the Bureau of Labor Statistics CPI calculator, Nazorine's payment of $2000 would be about $30,000 today. How many modern day fathers would be willing to pay that amount for a son-in-law -- or could afford to? "OK, daughter, you have my blessing. But you'll have to move to Italy because he can't stay here."
And Connie's wedding purse, full of cash gifts, was a little over $20,000 -- $300,000 today! No wonder Paulie daydreamed of stealing it!
https://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm
A few days ago I mentioned inflation in a post here. I've forgotten whether I was replying to you or someone else, and I can't find that post now, so if I'm repeating myself, sorry about that.
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I don't think it was me, but I enjoy reading your material!
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With 75+ years having passed between the setting (Connie's wedding was in August 1945) and the present day, the dollar amounts aren't familiar to modern readers. According the the Bureau of Labor Statistics CPI calculator, Nazorine's payment of $2000 would be about $30,000 today. ...
And Connie's wedding purse, full of cash gifts, was a little over $20,000 -- $300,000 today! No wonder Paulie daydreamed of stealing it!
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Movie inflation is a weird topic. One almost has to guess how much the cash would be worth today, those calculators often deliver suprising statistics.
In Alfred Hitchcock's Psycho of 1960, the whole story revolves around Janet Leigh embezzilng $40,000. A rich man has given it to her real estate company so he can buy a HOUSE for his daughter with it. A $40,000 house gets laughs from modern audiences watching Psycho and yet, that would have been QUITE a house in 1960. $40,000 could buy a mini-mansion back then. (The rich man was in oil.)
When Psycho was remade in 1998, they "rounded up" so the theft was of $400,000 for a house. "More like it," and in 1998, still capable of buying a pretty nice house (in Phoenix, Arizona, where the story starts.) But Anne Heche(in for Janet Leigh) trying to hide $400,000 in her purse looked kind of ridiculous!
> In Alfred Hitchcock's Psycho of 1960, the whole story revolves around Janet Leigh embezzilng $40,000.
I checked with that same CPI calculator -- that's about $365,000 today.
> But Anne Heche(in for Janet Leigh) trying to hide $400,000 in her purse looked kind of ridiculous!
I looked it up -- the US stopped printing $1000 bills in 1946, but the Federal Reserve didn't recall them until 1969. There are still some out there but they're collectors items now, selling for several times their face value. In 1960 there would have been many more in circulation, and the tycoon could have paid that $40,000 in $1000 and $500 bills. Now the largest bill in general circulation is $100, so yes -- ridiculous.
That's some nice detail on the inflation ...and on how Anne Heche couldn't really have carried $400,000 in her purse.
Its funny. We live in an age where it is "usual" for top movie stars to earn $20 million and movie(and usually more from percentages)
But when I read about the pay for Cary Grant in the long-ago past -- say $750,000 to make North by Northwest in 1959 -- that STILL seems like a lot of money given that the average salary back then was $6000 a year or some such.
Here are two for the calculator:
Alred Hitchcock's standard fee to direct in 1959 was $250,000. How much today?
Psycho was Hitchcock's biggest hit -- at $15 million gross(most of which went straight to Hitchocck, and not to Paramount.) How much today?
Only if you would like to check this..
Well, here's the link, it's easy enough to check: https://www.bls.gov/data/inflation_calculator.htm
$250,000 in June 1959 = $2,334,158.08 in June 2021.
$15,000,000 in June 1960 = $137,683,000 in June 2021.
Thank you.
These answers "just go to show us" that inflation alone did not affect movie grosses and movie director pay.
Hitchcock's salary on Psycho:
$250,000 in June 1959 = $2,334,158.08 in June 2021.
Modernly, major film directors are paid a lot more than 2 million to direct. They rarely get paid more than big stars, but they can still land $10 million or so, plus a percentage.
Psycho's gross:
$15,000,000 in June 1960 = $137,683,000 in June 2021.
$137 million would be big today -- but nothing special, with international grosses. Plus even in the United States only, population has grown extensively. This could be more of a $200 to $300 million grosser today.
Except...its time was...1960. It wouldn't play today (as the 1998 flop remake proved.)
PS. I would add that I have read that old-time producer-directors like Hitchcock and Howard Hawks and Billy Wilder were content with earning a LOT of money, but not needing BLOCKBUSTER earnings to make it rich in Hollywood. $250,000 a movie was fine.
> $250,000 a movie was fine.
Grab onto something and hang on. It seems Hitchcock made a lot more than that. Here's a 1960 article from Variety: https://variety.com/1960/film/news/alfred-hitchcock-to-make-at-least-5-million-for-psycho-1201341585/
Grab onto something and hang on. It seems Hitchcock made a lot more than that.
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Here's a 1960 article from Variety: https://variety.com/1960/film/news/alfred-hitchcock-to-make-at-least-5-million-for-psycho-1201341585/
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Wow. That article is interesting in showing how -- way back in 1960 -- you still had studio people trying to analyze success. "Its a freak" says one insider. Yeah. A cheaply made movie with only moderate stars. But it was the scariest and most violent movie ever allowed to be released to that date -- people HAD to see it.
I'll pick that article up and move it to the Psycho page, but I will note here that The Godfather was its own cash cow of course.
I recall reading that Brando traded away his percentage points in The Godfather for quick cash -- and lived to regret it.
The movie certainly made Coppola "insta-rich"
But as we know, certain plans to make The Godfather "cheap and modern day" might have resulted in a "non-blockbuster and NOBODY would have gotten rich.
Also, I think that The Godfather is an "heir" to Psycho in that the selling points for both films to audiences were ...violent murders. Two in Psycho...about 20 in The Godfather.
PS. By my calculations, Hitchcock made about $20 million personally from Psycho if adjusted for inflation? And I know this: Hitchcock sold the rights to two properties -- Psycho and his TV show -- to Universal in exchange for becoming the third-largest holder of Universal/MCA stock.
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