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Bruce Lee was screwed out of this TV show


I believe Bruce Lee was screwed out of this TV show because it was Bruce Lee's idea to make this show so the producers felt that the american audience wasn't ready for an asian actor. Does it occur to yeah that Bruce Lee had another TV show called the green hornet it was a american TV show. So after Bruce Lee got stiff for this project producers went out and got David Carradine he can't even fight really, he doesn't know anything about Kung Fu.

Bruce Lee will always be the greatest Martial Artist

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David Carradine was born to play Caine!

It is true that Carradine was not an exhaustively trained fighter, but he is a very talented & capable actor. This is most evident due to the love that generations of viewers have for the character of Caine. Don't forget, Carradine carried that bedroll barefoot for 3 years!

His physical strengths were a natural athleticism and fluidity of movement. His melodious and gentle voice was perfectly matched to the poetic nature of the Taoist inspired dialogue.

Carradine's face was naturally gentle and sublime, but he could also turn it dangerously dark and menacing when the helpless or innocent were threatened.

All of these talents were blended perfectly to create the peace loving and lucidity seeking character of a wandering Shaolin monk.

Kung Fu was a "dialogue" television show. The fight scenes rock & roll, but only as a lesson to the intolerant and racist boobs that blocked Caine's peaceful path or hassled the friends he made as he trecked across the West.

Bruce Lee is a martial arts deity, at least in the movies. No offense to Asians who have learned English, for I have the utmost respect for those who know multiple languages, but there is NO WAY Bruce could have pulled off the dialogue with his heavy accent. I also think that his martial arts style would have been too authentic and brutal, distracting the viewer from the show's true aim to educate and entertain.

As Kwai Chang himself might say:

"David Carradine was Caine, Bruce Lee was not"

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I had an idea that may seem a little crazy. Do you think it would have been a good concept to alter the Pilot episode so that Bruce Lee was the brother that Caine was searching for and finds? That way the two of them could have travelled the Old West kicking butt from then on.

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you mean have him searching for a chinese brother (his mother's child) rather than an american? It could have been interesting, but i'm not sure how long it would have lasted.

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I'm sure I'm just paraphrasing everyone else but Carradine was a perfect choice for Caine. The show was not about action and therefore I think Bruce's greatest skill, his action skills, would have been wasted on a show about a guy doing his damndest NOT to fight. Carradine was just the right amount of calm and thoughtful to pull off Caine and he looks the part. As an Asian, I have no problem with Caine or his performance.

If you think Bruce would have been better in Kung Fu, are you saying you'd prefer him doing Kung Fu to making the amazing movies he made? He couldn't have done both. And personally, there's not a single Bruce movie that I don't love.

And as for Americans not being ready for an Asian lead, what the hell do the studios know about what America is "ready for"? From their point of view, this country still isn't "ready" for a whole lot of things. I'm still waiting for Denzel or Will Smith to kiss a white leading lady at the end of a movie, but we still haven't seen that.

Racial division is alive and well in this business of show and we should be happy with the baby steps as well as the revolutionary leaps. Casting an Asian lead in the early 70's would have been huge leap but it is also very possible that the result would have been a much shorter run for one of the best TV shows I've ever seen. One of the best things that came out of Kung Fu is that it created a whole lot of opportunities for Asian actors and that cannot be denied...although we did have to deal with that era when Asians were typecast as computer experts.

(I'm wondering out loud, other than the short lived Margaret Cho show, has there been an American show (other than cooking shows) with an Asian lead? I can't think of any.)

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I think Carradine did an excellent job in this show

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I agree too and he was the one that made the show work and be a hit in all the world.

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Well, in my opinion Bruce Lee can play a pacifist, he played a Caine type of role in the first episode of a short lived detective show called "Longstreet", his role was the complete opposite of his "Fist Of Fury" roles. Lee was a good actor, he started as a child actor in Hong Kong and I heard he was actually called the Chinese James Dean when he appeared in a Chinese movie called "the Orphan" when he was about 16 or 17 that was before he moved to the US.

Eitherway, I don't care who would be right to play Caine, Carradine was great as Caine and he seems to understand the philosiphy and knowledge of Eastern culture maybe he didn't start out that way but the show may have got him interested in Eastern philosiphy. So its all good.

Overall, I believe Lee came up with the concept but I don't really care that he didn't get the part as long as Carradine did a great job with the character. I just think Lee was a better actor than people give him credit for.

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Well, in my opinion Bruce Lee can play a pacifist, he played a Caine type of role in the first episode of a short lived detective show called "Longstreet", his role was the complete opposite of his "Fist Of Fury" roles. Lee was a good actor, he started as a child actor in Hong Kong and I heard he was actually called the Chinese James Dean when he appeared in a Chinese movie called "the Orphan" when he was about 16 or 17 that was before he moved to the US.

Eitherway, I don't care who would be right to play Caine, Carradine was great as Caine and he seems to understand the philosiphy and knowledge of Eastern culture maybe he didn't start out that way but the show may have got him interested in Eastern philosiphy. So its all good.

Overall, I believe Lee came up with the concept but I don't really care that he didn't get the part as long as Carradine did a great job with the character. I just think Lee was a better actor than people give him credit for.

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Does it annoy anyone else that people think that Kwai Chang Caine is fully Chinese? I think the name 'Caine' gives away that he is part European.

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You got things mixed up. The American audience at the time was not ready for an Asian lead. In Green Hornet, Bruce Lee was not the lead, just a side kick.


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They're both pretty shoddy b-list actors. I don't think it makes a huge difference.

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The fact of the matter is that Bruce Lee was a rotten actor.

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Bruce Lee was a Star not necessarily known for his amazing acting, but he had Charisma.

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It is a sad fact that Bruce Lee looked, in the words of the Hollywood know nothings, "too oriental to play an oriental" and was not chosen for the role.

That being said, Kung Fu was still a fine show.

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Regretfully, it is a known fact that Bruce Lee was passed over for the role because the Hollywood know-nothings thought he looked too Chinese to play a Chinese.

You make sense of it!

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Not getting the role in Kung Fu was the best thing that ever happened to Bruce. There was no way they would have let him do the kind of martial arts he did in his movies on prime time TV in 1972/73. If he had done the series then we probably wouldn't have the movies he did in HK. It's kind of strange that John Saxon who went on to star with Bruce in Enter The Dragon also appears in the first episode of Kung Fu.

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"Bruce Lee would have been making Fist of Fury or Return of the dragon in Hong Kong when it premiered in 1972"

FoF premiered a month after KF , March '72.

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Here's the true story behind Kung Fu:

Kung Fu was created by writer Ed Spielman, who originally came up with the idea in the mid 1960s. Ed was interested in all things oriental and Chinese, and even took evening classes to learn Mandarin. He became fascinated with martial arts and learned as much as he could about the history and of the various styles. Spielman would visit martial arts schools in New York's chinatown and talk to the old grandmasters.

Spielman had written a 44 page treatment for a movie called Kung Fu. He spent the next few years shopping it around. By 1969, he had acquired an agent who liked the story and sold it to Warner's in New York. In February of 1970, Spielman's agent bartered a deal for Spielman and his friend and collaborator, Howard Friedlander, to write a theatrical motion picture screenplay from Spielman's original story. All of this occurred in New York.

Ultimately Warner Brothers decided not to make it as a movie. But, studio executive Harvey Frand had faith in the project, and took it to ABC TV, where it was developed for television.

Meanwhile, on the west coast, Bruce Lee had been approached for a possible part on the show and also as a technical adviser. Whether Lee had actually been thinking about the same idea for a similar series is not certain, but being contacted about the project perhaps made Bruce Lee incorrectly think that he was "developing" the series. Lee went to meet Tom Kuhn, then the vice president of Warner Brothers Television to convince him he should play the lead. But Kuhn thought Lee wasn't the right fit for the show. The studio (ABC) on the other hand was familiar with Bruce (from the Green Hornet) and was leaning toward him for the lead. This was all happening just before Lee had accepted the offer from Raymond Chow in Hong Kong for a two picture deal, and just before Lee did the first episode of Longstreet.

Bruce Lee desperately wanted to make it in Hollywood, and even while filming The Big Boss and Fist of Fury in Hong Kong, Bruce held out hope that he would be part of the Kung Fu TV series, which had a working title of 'The Warrior'. But it was not to be.

Kung Fu was never Bruce Lee's idea or creation.

This is all verifiable, according to Ed Spielman, through documents he filed for copyright purposes when he registered his original script in the mid 1960s.

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Well summarized. The Bruce Lee creating Kung Fu story is really just an urban legend propelled by Linda Lee's bio of Bruce and the film it spawned.

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