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is it just me or was this movie REALLY BADLY DIRECTED


I like Clint Eastwood's later films, but I think Play Misty For Me might be one of the worst directed movies I've ever seen. I say that because it had a pretty well-written script and characters, and still managed not to be a good movie.
In horror movies, the director always has to cheat a bit, and make it look like it's harder to escape from a situation than it actually would be- ie cut really quickly, and only use closeups, so that you can't tell the character should have been able to see the knife coming and run from it. It's hard to explain, but watch any well-made horror movie (ie Psycho, and most De Palma films- no matter what you say about De Palma, he can direct convincing horror scenes) and you'll see what I mean.
In this movie, Clint Eastwood utterly fails at this in one crucial scene, which I won't mention in order to avoid spoiling it for anyone who hasn't seen it. All I'll say is that the scene is directed so badly, it almost looked like a parody.
If that were its only fault, it would still be a good movie. However, at this point in his career, Clint was highly amused by long shots of himself driving along a coastal highway. It didn't make a bad opening scene, but I really was not interested in seeing virtually the same sequence nearly every time Clint drives his car- especially in a movie where much, much more interesting things happen. Clint also pauses for twenty minutes or so near the end to show a slow love scene, and then a jazz concert. In these scenes, we see nothing of relevance to the characters- in the love scenes, we don't see the couple's faces, we see them posed in pastoral scenery and we see shots of their legs in the grass. In the jazz concert, we hardly see the characters at all. It seems as if Clint thought he was making a concert film for ten minutes.
If he wanted to make a film that was a mishmash of styles, he should have indicated it at the beginning. But, as it stands, we have a movie that abruptly turns into a soft-core easy listening music video, and then a concert film a good two thirds in, and then gets back to finishing the story it started earlier.
Oh yeah, and the cinematography is dark and dull. The Californian coast is beautiful, but you wouldn't know it from this movie. Maybe the old film is deteriorated? In any case, compare the cinematography in this film to many other movies, and you will probably agree with me that the colors in this movie are dull and pasty-looking. I saw a super-8 film of my family from 1971, and even that looked better than this.
It's a shame, because it's a good story, with believable characters. As a matter of fact, the script and the acting are so good in parts that they almost redeem it. But they don't. In a world where bad scripts can be made into fun movies with good direction (Dressed to Kill, to me, is a good example of that), it's a shame to see good stories ruined by bad direction.
Clint- if you by any chance should read this (though I doubt it)- don't take offense, I think you became a great director when you got older.

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Bleh! This is thriller, not a horror flick. This movie is one of the most best Eastwood films ever.

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I don't know ,I think Clint did a fine job directing this, & I actually even enjoyed it years ago when all I wanted to see was the shoot 'em up stuff like the Dirty Harry series & his Classic westerns.I also am a huge fan & very little of his output I don't like.As for picture quality I have a copy of the Warner Bros. special edition & I think if you see this you will be surprised as the picture & sound has been cleaned up considerably , & if I recall there is a fair amount of special features ,interviews trailers & Clints vision for the movie as well as some amusing anecdotes.I think you will be pleasantly surprised if you rent or buy a copy.
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I like the love scenes and the song that goes with it...I also like the Pop Concert scenes...after all, these guys are disc jockeys at a radio station and it's realistic that they would go to a place where there was some "cool groove"

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No, it's not u. And the script isnt no prize either: the hackneyed dialog btwn Dave and the detective..

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This was Clint's first attempt at directing, and if you saw the DVD extras you know that there was a lot about Clint and his mentors, in this case Don Siegel. I have seen just about every Eastwood film ever made, and finally found PMFM, and I loved it. Jessica Walter was absolutely creepy. And the film was pure 1970s, even though it was early 70s, with a smattering of the 60s. The Monterey Jazz Festival scenes were a particular favorite, since I was a frequent attendee.

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People have been writing and asking why didn't Dave do this, or do that. Hey, stalking was not a big problem in the early 70s. He probably thought she would just disappear, since she said she was going to Hawaii. Sgt. McCallum didn't even consider that she was a stalker. Things were a lot different 35 years ago.

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It existed back in the 70s alright, but we just didn't have a name for it.

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I agree about the love scene/jazz concert in the middle. It was like an unwarned intermission - the movie just sort of stopped. And maybe that Roberta Flack song was way moving back in the day, but hearing it played in its entirety now for the skatey-eighth time - and while you're waiting for the slasher to resurface - was agonizing. OK, well, it would have been agonizing if I did not have fast forward.

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Rent/buy the DVD, it explains a lot. All the background info really helps you appreciate the movie..It was made for a very small budget, but it is a very rich film, with lots of visual imagery, great acting, interesting scenes. Clint's connection with Carmel was used to its fullest advantage. There were minimal sets built for this film, those are real houses/restaurants used in the film, lit by real California sunshine.

It is dated in some ways (that representation of a homosexual - ouch!). Plus, the people at the Monterey festival. They were not extras, they were REAL PEOPLE...Did people really dress, look like that? I was alive in 1971, but fortunately...I've had years to erase those styles from my fashion memory!

Some critics complained that the "love scene" stopped the movie, but they're wrong..It was really needed as a "breather" between the action scenes. We know something awful is coming, and it's necessary to set up the connection and loyalty between the two leads. And the song is beautiful.

I had been hearing about this film for years. It is true, it is not high art and there are clunky parts that play oddly..But it is definitely a film of its time and place. Someone watching this film can get a real feel of what the early post 60's pre-disco 70's were like (it was a great time, I really miss it in some ways).

My only regret was that I did not see it at the Cinerama Cinedome in L.A. when it first came out!

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Ummm have you looked around lately and noticed what the girls are wearing the same ugly style pants and clothes.The early 70s have got to be the hideous fashion era in the history of mankind! Oops....I take that back. The way kids dress these days is even more hideous than the freaky early 70s !They look like they crawled out a goodwill box ! Freaks ! lol

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Pretentious observation: like the porter scene in Macbeth this episode acts as a much needed tension reliever for the movie.

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I also agree about the love scene/jazz concert in the middle. It was like Eastwood made sure everyone got to go to the bathroom before the finale.

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I agree with the original poster that this is a badly directed movie. As for Clint getting better over time, has anyone seen Unforgiven? Its truly awful. I think allowing someone whose primary skill is acting behind the camera is a move that needs careful contemplation!
Ill talk about the things that I dont like about this film first then the things I do like to try and be balanced.
Certain features of the film should have been canned from the start. The never ending heli-shot at the beginning, waaay to long! The never ending jazz footage - what was the point of that!? Someone should have pulled rank on Eastwood and edited out the cinematic devices that just DONT WORK.

However on the positive side, the love scene with Roberta Flack in the background is just brilliant. It really gives a sense of deep intimacy between the two of them. Never mind that she was really unsure about the whole thing only days before.

Basically this film is fairly average. But have your fast forward button handy.

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I agree with the original poster that this is a badly directed movie. As for Clint getting better over time, has anyone seen Unforgiven? Its truly awful. I think allowing someone whose primary skill is acting behind the camera is a move that needs careful contemplation! Ill talk about the things that I dont like about this film first then the things I do like to try and be balanced. Certain features of the film should have been canned from the start. The never ending heli-shot at the beginning, waaay to long! The never ending jazz footage - what was the point of that!?


The point is phenomenology and to patiently create mood and atmosphere (as with that slightly creepy opening aerial shot). I hope that people aren't so impatient in this day and age that they cannot sit through some long shots that create ambience and evoke space and time.

As for Unforgiven, it was one of the most acclaimed films of the 1990s and actually of all-time (it made the American Film Institute's top 100 list in 1998).

However on the positive side, the love scene with Roberta Flack in the background is just brilliant. It really gives a sense of deep intimacy between the two of them.


I agree that by relying on visual imagery and music rather than dialogue, Eastwood relays a sense of deep intimacy between Dave and Tobie at that moment.

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'phenomenology' - what the heck is that lol

the point about these boards and films in general is that one person likes something, another doesnt. it irritates me that people try and justify their opinions with argument when basically one thing works for one person and doesnt for another.

Anyway, how dare you disagree with my carefully worded argument about how i am right lol :-)

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If you present an argument and ask a question, then you have to expect someone to counter your argument and address your question. That's what these boards are for, to engage in a discussion.

As for "phenomenology," I'm sure that you can look up the term and comprehend the concept.

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I might have known you wouldnt understand that there was some humour inherent in my post.

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I saw the humor; it just seemed that you'd also taken offense.

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I agree with you that in contrast to Clint's later movies, this one is rather amateur. But seriously, what do you expect? It was his debut film as a director! Making movies isn't so easy. Moreover, regarding the comment about tightening things up: Yes, definitely! That whole love scene to the music tangent really took me off course (I too ended up fast forwarding ahead!). And regarding the horror bit and editing for suspense, I think Clint was NOT doing that as an effect, to capture the essance of how it really is. Granted, that whole ending sequence with him wandering around the house was a bit anticlimactic, so perhaps what could have worked better is him going just a little bit more slowly throughout the house or perhaps going to the toolshed and getting some sort of weapon - that certainly would have helped keeping to the "realism" that Clint was trying to make use of in the film.

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Anyone who can say Unforgiven was badly directed obviously has a lot to say about movies. And I therefore place their views about Play Misty For Me in the same category.

Misty was a first attempt at directing a movie and was recognised at the time as being an ambitious movie to make - a really tough subject to do well. The fact that it has been ripped off so many times since gives a strong indication that Clint did a good job. Not his best, not great - but good.

The long spells between action are there to build up the tension, by the way. To show the passage of time between events: sort of "just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water..."

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i thought the intro and outro were wonderfully directed. however i agree the film lost some SERIOUS pacing. the finalle wasn't very well directed at all.

it's like he started really well but just kinda didn't put 100% in certain parts. either way i thought it was very good for a first job at directing.

"how about... a royal flush!" *loren avedon kicks a cauldron of boiling water into the bad guys*

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Yeah, it's just you, and a few others who don't get it. I first saw this movie in the theater when I was 9, by myself. My parents were pretty cool about such things. They saw the French Connection, I got to see the other movie in Theater 1. And I've seen it countless times since. If you are expecting a slam-bang hyperactive trip of a thriller, forget it. Pacing and ebb-and-flow are everything in this movie, and all the stuff the critics here are bitching about were things to change the pace of the movie. Not to mention they give some insight into who the DJ is (and who Eastwood is, too). Anyone who knows anything about him knows he is a jazz fanatic, so you kind of end up feeling like Eastwood is Dave, or Dave is Eastwood, like it's semi-autobiographical, so you get a peek into what a DJ or jazz fanatic would do with his day if there was a world-famous jazz festival down the road. And the Roberta Flack song was released in 1970 but never hit the top of the chart until the movie came out. Is it one of the first music videos? Maybe, but it was jazz-based, and without that movie, it wouldn't have still been playing all these years later. Again, it gives some insight into Dave's/Eastwood's tastes, so I don't mind it. I like it better now that I'm older, too. It could've also been an appeal to the female audience members to keep them interested.

I have to admit the ending could've been handled better, although on the big screen it was much more effective. The Misty ripoff Fatal Attraction, though, had a totally unbelievable ending. At least Misty's ending is believable and final. Evelyn isn't going to be climbing back up that cliff. However, the complaints about the "endless driving scenes" are unfounded. The camera was trying to give us atmosphere, and perhaps to show that Tobie's house is pretty remote and far from anything else. After watching this 15-20 times, I was amazed to finally realize (and get the creeps from the realization) that when Dave is asleep, and the music on the turntable is playing, it's Misty that is playing, and Evelyn had put it on and stood over him with who-knows-what going through her mind for who-knows-how-long until he half wakes up. That had to be one of the most unsettling realizations in cinema I've ever had, because you never see her put the music on.

This is still, after 34 years, my #2 movie. The later comments from someone else saying that Unforgiven was also poorly directed must be from someone who didn't get movies. Movies with poor direction don't win Academy Awards for Best Picture and Best Director. Whoever you are, you are not evidently into sublety and nuances. I for one cannot stand being beaten over the head to make sure I "get it" at a movie, and I don't like to have my intelligence insulted.

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defenitly just you,this movie is a gold nugget,and i want that music at the start credits..

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Pacing and ebb-and-flow are everything in this movie


Exactly, it's all about ebb-and-flow to create tension and balance, and Eastwood works the yo-yo quite effectively.

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It's just you.

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