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One of the most misogynistic films ever


Have a lot of respect for Eastwood and his long career. But when I saw this movie again last night on cable -- first time since I saw it as a kid 40 years ago -- I was surprised to realize how misogynistic it was. Evelyn comes off as just a psychotic nut: no backstory, no nuance, no character development, nothing but an over-the-top crazy lady stereotype. Even Glenn Close's character in "Fatal Attraction" fared better.

Didn't Clint have a reputation, in his younger days, of being a bit emotionally brutal with the ladies in his personal life? Hard to believe this film, in terms of its roles for women, came from the same guy who gave us "Million Dollar Baby."

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Psycho females do not deserve a background. They are what they are, and we accept that because we know they exist....everywhere.

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According to the extras on the DVD, it was deliberately decided that there would be no background/backstory for Evelyn.

Funny you should bring up Clint's 'misogynistic' approach in the film, since he and others thought the opposite about it.

I'll give an anecdote: When Eastwood was promoting the film and on every TV talk show around, he said that John Wayne gave him a rough time about how he could let a woman get the best of him that way. Eastwood responded that that was exactly the point. For years, 'Macho' men always prevailed, but one of the things that intrigued him about this story was that a man couldn't.

I think the word 'misogynistic' has been highly abused on message boards. Dave didn't hate women; wasn't against them at all. His 'problem' was that he perhaps liked them too much.

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Good information mizhu.

ExPresidents, believe the term is now crazy bitches.

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There are more psycho men. Even men are more likely to be raped or abused by another man than a woman. More women get killed by an abusive male partner than men get killed by a female partner etc. There are even weirdos who make tribute videos to serial killers on youtube, with loser men commenting about how the women deserved it because they were this or that, as if men can decide what a woman does.

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same thing on almost every board: the man was sexist and the film misogynistic. And if the roles were reversed ion the film, young women would be saying it's still misogynistic. These posters must be venting their personal demons

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I read a book about Eastwood years ago (by film Richard Schickel) in which he himself said that he had grown up watching films with strong female characters, and he felt that in the early '70s, that they were disappearing from the screen. So,he said,that's why he tried to make films with strong female characters---such as The Beguiled, and any other film he made during the '70s---like the The Gauntlet,for example. The Beguiled was considered a financial gamble at the time because he wasn't playing his usual good guy character---and it became one of his few flops--even though it got more respect in Europe when it was released. I've never thought Play Misty For Me was misogynistic, like other '70s flicks (and not all '70s flicks were like that either.)

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Hmm, well thanks, Mizhu. Perhaps I will rethink this one.

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Was this post an excuse to use the word "misogynistic"?

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Not at all, RW. I dont need an excuse to have a point of view. And I still have mixed feelings about the film -- especially since the "crazy bitch" in this movie seems insane for no other reason than she can't get a guy in the sack. Most other such female characters have some kind of motivation beyond their dependence on a man: greed, revenge, true mental illness, past trauma. But as I said, I thought the other posters made good points that made me consider rethinking my position.

By the way: Newsweek just ran a piece on crazy chicks in the movies.
http://www.newsweek.com/2011/01/30/crazy-chick-flicks.html

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'especially since the "crazy bitch" in this movie seems insane for no other reason than she can't get a guy in the sack. Most other such female characters have some kind of motivation beyond their dependence on a man'
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Her getting Clint in the sack has nothing to do with her insanity, but a symptom of it. I'm sure Evelyn had other dysfunction, but a 100 min film cannot show or explain everything that occures in a character's life.
So, do you think that Norman Bates,another psycho ,and equal opportunity killer,was presented in a sexist way? Or the actors who play random psychos(some dependent on women) in any of a number of slasher films?

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"Even Glenn Close´s character in Fatal Attraction fared better".

You´re idea of "faring better" is to reduce her character to a maniac who boils domestic animals in a pot? Not to mention laying all blame for the dire situation squarely on her and doing everything to make one forget that Douglas´s character was equally guilty (for one thing, Play Misty For Me establishes that Eastwood had a long history of being unfaithful while Douglas, with this one exception, was quite the saint anchoring an all-American nuclear family).



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It is clear to me that Evelyn suffered from many types of mental illness, including borderline personality disorder, depression and possibly others; she also appears to exhibit signs of a sociopathic and/or psychopathic personality disorder. These are the bare minimum of what is readily apparent of what she already suffered from when she met David. She looked on their meeting and sequential brief sexual liaison as a whole complete complex relationship, even though the reality was they had only known each other for a few days and didn't know each other at all. She created the relationship and the intense need for it, and the image of love for David in her own mind. When he rejects her, her "love" immediately turns to rage and violence.

Anyone who thinks this is just a story about a normal chick who can't get a man to stay with her, or can't handle it when he leaves, is entirely missing the point. This is a movie about a man who had a problem with infidelity in the past. Just when he is ready to put that behavior behind him, his last "fling" is a mentally disturbed woman who won't let go and can't face reality, so decides to cross the line and that if she can't have him no one can.

To each their own...opinion

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In Fatal Attraction, we are given a glimpse of Whats-her-name's past: her father died in front of her when she was quite young. She was at an age when a girl needs her daddy. So its not surprising that she would become so needy and delusional where men are concerned. We all know someone with this kind of "hole in the soul".

Sonja

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Maybe he did, maybe he didn't. She played head games with people. Chalk her up as another all-purpose psycho.


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You're a stupid thing Frank, go pound sand.

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The horror genre is more misogynistic than most. Not just here, but in so many others, the typical woman is depicted in open-mouthed fear, whether she's an innocent bystander, a rape victim, a corpse or, in this case, a psychopath.

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That's not true. Sure, its common in a cheesy slasher flick to have an almost endless line of victims, both male and female, in open-mouthed fear....

But a woman saves the day.

Just off of memory (so I may be wrong here and there, the main point still rings true) - Out of eleven Friday the 13th films, I can think of two where the "last one living" was a male (and it was actually the same character that survived). In the Nightmare on Elm Street series, I believe a guy "won" once. In Freddy v Jason, a girl wins. I'm not keen on the Halloween franchise, but I do know there are several films in there where a female wins. In the Hellraiser series I think there were men featured in the more recent films. The first three for sure all featured heroines.

Then there's Silence of the Lambs, The Ring, The Grudge, all of the "Living Dead" remakes...

You even get a film here and there where both males and females work together toward that happy ending - Psycho, The Haunting, House on Haunted Hill (remake)...you could possibly even add The Exorcist in here. While Reagan's mother didn't have the skills to battle demons, qualified men did it for her and thus sacrificed themselves to save the life of a little girl.

There are plenty of movies out there where a fella is the main do-gooder and wins the day (such as The Final Destination series), but I don't think its true to say horror is misogynistic at all. It seems pretty equal opportunity to me.

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Is it okay to show the men as bad and evil without any backstory? Why women always must have some kind of justification for their behaviour, but not guys? Isn't it misandric?

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This movie was written by a woman. About another woman.

"What I don't understand is how we're going to stay alive this winter."

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Your argument doesn't hold up mainly because you misconstrue the definition of "misogynistic" but also because you assume Clint is making a grand statement about all women with his depiction of one. If the gender roles were reversed, and a man was maniacally stalking a woman, would you say the film is man-hating in general? Would you even make that extrapolation?

There's no question Evelyn's character is deeply disturbing, but just because one shows an accurate (even dead on) portrayal of a borderline, manipulative psychopath doesn't mean one is making any value judgment about that person, nor painting a picture of all (e.g.) women.

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Someone come collect these basic minds.

Film be misogynistic as hell. Or at least, misogynistic as culture.

Personally, I think I have too much bloom. Maybe that's the trouble with me.

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Please don't feed the troll.

Of course this movie isn't misogynistic. But we've arrived at a place in our cultural evolution (devolution?) where you can have as many MALE villains as you want, no problem, but portraying a woman in a villainous way gets you branded a misogynsist.

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