Extremely Homophobic



Martin Balsam's character is just so over the top fairy. Not to mention the word "Fag" used throughout this movie, and even the word deviant as well to describe the gay character (Martin Balsam). Frank Pierson obliviously was feeling very homophobic when he wrote this offensive screenplay. There is even another gay character who is an interior designener (like Balsam's character) who lives in the building. Dyan Cannon describes him as a "Fag Designer". This character is even more over the top fairy. Watching this movie yesterday, I felt a lot of homophobia and hatred in the Frank Pierson dialogue.

reply

Can't keep you queers happy. How many pics in the 70 portrayed fags at all??

I'd rather go hunting with Dick Cheney, than driving with Ted Kennedy





reply

I agree with foster1234's substance but not with his tone. It was pretty rare in the early 70's to have openly gay characters in films. In the 50's and 60's if they were portrayed at all - it was always ambiguous, like ' ... it was last summer when he didn't quite know who he was ... he was afraid of girls ... but that's all changed now ... now he wants to live like a man.' Hitchcock's Rope comes to mind. Didn't Farley Granger have a line like, "Their world doesn't have a aplace for people like us in it?" So the fact that Anderson Tapes had at least two homosexual characters playing homosexuals (and not in that 50's-60's way where they were simply played as 'weak,' or 'shy') and other characters called them homosexuals (or "fags") was pretty forward for its time.

reply

Yes but they were despicable stereotype characters. Just for the record foster1234 - I don't appreciate being called a fag. You are rude a rude prejudice insulting person

reply

Boy that hurt

Like I care what you think

I'd rather go hunting with Dick Cheney, than driving with Ted Kennedy





reply


Joey, did it not offend you, also, that foster1234 called you 'queer'? You only mentioned 'fag'.

Carpe Noctem

reply

Add me to that list, joeyboy. You don't like gay slang words, don't watch movies and television.

reply

I think the word fag is funny. It has lost all of its insult value.

If you want to see really BAAAD gay stereotypes watch The Love Machine. Dyan has a cat fight with two greasy queens. It is hilarious.

BTW that Foster jerk sound like a bitter closet case. A big mess.

reply

Exactly. Your typical homosexual person will spend his/her/its entire lifetime bitching and complaining about one thing or the other. Before they were ever shown in movies and on TV, that was the problem. Once they are up on the screen, now that is a problem, too?

Get a life, constantly bitching homosexual people. The whole wide world is not revolving around you, you know.

reply

"Get a life, constantly bitching homosexual people"

Yes, please.

What's funny is that almost all of these words originated within the gay community itself, sometimes as a pejorative (leather fags, nancy boys) or descriptive & useful slang -- bottoms, catcher/pitcher, etc.

Those who haven't seen this sh*t evolve over the past 50 years really don't have a clue ... including a good many inside the community.

reply

As if shut ins like you know any gay people (or any women probably). You get your impressions from bad films.

reply

"Can't keep you queers happy."

Nope. It's like the old joke about the two British fairies discussing how things had changed ...

At first it was a hanging offense ... then it was just a jail term ... and now it's completely legal. To which one of them replies, "And personally I shan't be satisfied until it's MANDATORY!"

Too true ....

reply

I disagree. I don't think the Martin Balsam character was depicted in a totally condescending way. Neither Sean Connery nor the other members of the crew Connery assembles ever take issue with Balsam being gay. In fact, they all accept the man as an essential part of the team. However, it's the more staunch adherents to the status quo (i.e., the doorman and the authories) who refer to Balsam as a "fag" and a "deviant." There's an interesting little subtext at work here: Folks who defy the norm are more tolerant and respectful to others who are likewise different while conformist types who are members of so-called "respectable" society are extremely close-minded and intolerant towards people who aren't just like they are.

"We're all part Shatner/And part James Dean/Part Warren Oates/And Steven McQueen"

reply

I agree with you, Woodyanders. The "fag" stuff was meant to be a kind of running joke, but was not arbitrarily applied to the story. Like you point out, the Connery character treats this openly gay man with respect, without a hint of disapproval or irony. Even though some of the jokes are rather broadly drawn and depend to some extent upon stereotype, I was never offended by them. Dismissing a film like THE ANDERSON TAPES for politically correct reasons seems too easy and quite beside the point. We perceive our progress as a society by noting the attitudes and manners of the past. In the context of the film, the gay character is given enough screen time for us to know and enjoy him. His camp manner does not distract us from the fact that he is a knowledgeable, valuable member of the gang. Like you point out, they accept him; no fag jokes from their lips, at all. Am sure the screen writer wrote it that way on purpose. Addressing the original message, it seems to me that overt gay stereotypes are iffy targets for politically correct arrows. Even though the "f" word is not used on TV, the gay characters we find prancing through sitcom conflicts and sorting out the ill conceived fashions and lifestyles of straight people on reality shows strike me as being just as "stereotyped" as anything in this film. Perhaps more so, because the gay characters we ordinarily encounter in these shows are more often than not glibly drawn and as sissified as any character played by Franklin Pangborn in the thirties or forties. The problem with political correctness is it doesn't take into account context or history or meaning. The word "fag" is used and that makes it automatically offensive. As an artist myself, and a gay man, I think that's just nonsense.

reply

I think the relationship between the Sean Connery character and the Martin Balsam character was pretty progressive for its time. Connery's character is obviously a heterosexual, but is still tolerant and respectful of the Balsam character. The key scene which reveals this is when Balsam decides to quit and give himself up to the police. What does Connery do in this scene? Does he insult or deride Balsam for chickening out? No, he doesn't. Instead Connery gives Balsam pointers on how to properly give himself up to the police so he doesn't get hurt. Connery shows real concern and compassion for Balsam in this scene. Considering this picture was made in the early 70's, this scene is truly radical and surprising for its time.

"We're all part Shatner/And part James Dean/Part Warren Oates/And Steven McQueen"

reply

I will also point out that the Mafia guy using the word "spooks", a racist term. I don't think we are supposed to regard Dyan Cannon as a sensitive, intelligent soul either.

The fact that Connery treats Basalm's character with respect and compassion is key.

Sam Tomaino

reply

I'm so sick of this PC crap. This was the 1970s & you're judging it by today's standards where Miss USA is disqualified for not supporting gay marriage. Not that I care about Miss USA, but the issue of being gay is everywhere. And, yes, some of my close friends are gay, but they're my friends because of the people they are, not because they're gay/not gay. One's sexuality does not define the core of their character. They're my friends because they're kind, intelligent, giving & funny & it's irrelevany whether they're gay, straight or whatever. To paraphrase Sidney Poitier in "Guess who's coming to dinner?", he says to his father (paraphrase): 'you define yourself as a black man, whereas I define myself as a man'.

IMO, Balsam is one of the most sympathetic & intelligent characters in the film. Balsam's character acted pretty gay, just as some gay people do today, but, so what? Today, we live under the thumb of the Gay Lobby & I'm sick of it. I don't care if people are gay, but, I don't want it in my face 24/7.

reply

I tend to agree. *Some* gay people today actually STILL act and dress like Martin Balsam did in this movie. Not all. But some do. And it almost seems like some in the gay community are ashamed of those gays who reinforce the historical stereotype as portrayed by Balsam. It can be understood if they don't want the public to get the false impression that ALL gays are like that. But totally removing and hiding those gays who do choose to live that way doesn't do justice either. There's all types and choices in this world. And you are who you are and no one should feel ashamed of who they are.

reply

Tell that to joeyboy, nfaust. He just ain't get no respect from nobody, it seems. The poor, deeply offended dahling.

reply

You might perhaps council him a bit. Or at least email some respect.

reply

~~~~~the Connery character treats this openly gay man with respect, without a hint of disapproval or irony.~~~~~

Rather like Michael Caine's behaviour towards Camp Freddie in The Italian Job.

Marlon, Claudia and Dimby the cats 1989-2005, 2007 and 2010.

reply

Uh, if you don't like how gays are depicted in this film, you never want to go near a Frank Sinatra film from the 60s called The Detective.

reply

movieghoul, my god, you're right about that. Even though in THE DETECTIVE, the Sinatra character is sympathetic, without a trace of irony; though by today's standard, his sympathy would probably be perceived as condescendingly paternalistic. But when I watched the movie, I was proud of old Frank for taking on such a character.

reply

It's showing the way people tallked, and that's how they talked in 1971. Movie shows "Fag" in favorable light anyway, so quit complaining.

reply

Oh, be quiet you fairy.

reply

This simply reflects societal attitudes of the time. Remember the gay characters in "Diamonds are Forever" (same year as this)? Or the gay characters in one of the Blacula movies?

What your note makes apparent is the tremendous PR campaign that the gay lobby has successfully operated since the late 60s. Forty years ago, the general opinion was that gays had something wrong with them; now people who CRITICIZE gays have something wrong with them.

reply

You can please some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not please all of the people all of the time.

I know some gays that like to be called fags
I know some queers that like to be called gays
I know some fruits that like to be called fairies
And I know some homos that like to be called twinks

what do you want me to do, huh, what!?

reply

I guess fags don't like to be called "fags," is that it?

reply

The term (mostly used by males) might be considered contemptuous. Possibly a thoughtful person happy with himself would not use the term.

reply

the only nonretarded portion of your comment is the over the top fairy part, but if that's extremely homophobic, so are seasons one and two of madmen with their blatantly gay closeted character.

the characters you mention are fags, and fags are deviants. these are facts, not homophobia.

the only downside was the martin balsam character surviving. would've been great to see him a mangled, bleeding corpse in place of walken's character, but writers stayed accurate with the inherent cowardice of homosexuals causing the character to accept imprisonment rather than risk escape. not to mention all the fags in prison, which i'm sure was extra incentive for martin balsam's deviant (in fact, he queries connery on 'cellmates' earlier in the movie).

reply

@beauedson


Whatever,you homophobe (yawn.)

reply