Yes, has everyone gone mad?


I haven't figured out why people like this movie. It may be because I've never seen any other movies by Wilder and so am mistaking his style for poor filmmaking. But still. The film is awkwardly staged, poorly acted, badly written, and boring.

Oh, yes, in the first half hour we have an implication that Holmes may be gay, and it is highlighted that he shoots cocaine into his veins. At the end of the film, both these themes are revisited, so there must be a sense in which this is what the movie is "really about."

But sandwiched in between these two superficially interesting ideas, is a ho-hum Holmes mystery, (easily guessable by the audience long before Holmes figures it out, by the way,) and a lot of stilted dialogue stiltedly delivered. Once the movie gets started, any deflationary "realistic" redrawing of the Holmes character is forgotten: He's just like in the books. At the end, these humanizing touches are revisited almost as an afterthought.

A charitable watcher will read the humanized subtext into the rest of the movie, but there is nothing about the way the plot plays out that compells this.

Anyway, thrown in there is also a scene in which Queen Victoria is portrayed in this cutesy "aw isn't she a sweet, doddering old lady completely out of touch with reality and capable of destroying the country because of a sentimental whim!" way. It should make you scowl.

A final observation: The whole thing plays out like a bad adaptation from a stage production.

I gave it 3 out of 5 on netflix, with a strong temptation to give it 2.

-Kris

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by weichikris (Wed Aug 16 2006 12:00:47)
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Anyway, thrown in there is also a scene in which Queen Victoria is portrayed in this cutesy "aw isn't she a sweet, doddering old lady completely out of touch with reality and capable of destroying the country because of a sentimental whim!" way. It should make you scowl.
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You can't apply modern thoughts of honor and morality to the 1800s. WWI and its unrestricted submarine warfare were many years in the future and Britain still ruled the waves and grandson, Willie (the Kaiser), hadn't shown the world yet what he was capable of unleashing.

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Any true Sherlock fan will tell you this is a waste of time watching.

Particularly uncanonical and a bit stupid is the scene where a ballerina wants Holmes to sire her child.... really...

Robert Stephens plays the role of Holmes too effeminately to be accurate...he may be a good actor in other roles but this ain't one of them.

Hopefully from now on directors, if they wish to make cheap, cheesy attempts at sex comedy will choose a less worthy subject than SH.

In the meantime, I would like to tell all fellow Holmes fans to steer clear of this one, or most other Holmes films for that matter... Jeremy Brett's going to be as good as it gets,I'm afraid.

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Was just discussing this film with some people and agree with your take, liebestraum(though I have not seen the Jeremy Brett version).
I think time has not been kind to this one. The gay angle was sort of "daring" in 1970 but today the first 20 minutes are tough to sit through. I thought when the mystery kicked in, it was an okay flick. I remember the marketing trumpeting this as "the case Holmes couldn't solve" so the fact he gets duped was also a bit original at the time. However, I do hold this film somewhat close to my heart because I can remember my father taking me to see it and it motivated me to read my first Holmes novel and the rest, as they say, is another boring story here on the IMDB boards.

But my question, and maybe you can help answer it, is exactly what was Wilder attempting to do with this film? I've never heard the "real story" of whether Wilder simply gave up on the film as he realized it wasn't taking shape the way he wanted it to and the casting was wrong OR if "nasty" film execs made him chop up the idea of the three or four "mini-stories" that would have led to a long running time. Years ago, even a profile of Wilder on a classic movie station barely mentioned this film among his works.

Can any Wilder-fans or Holmes-movie fans shed any light?

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Simply and succinctly put: the movie was too long, UA wanted changes and since it was originally conceived as episodic in structure it was easy to cut away pieces that were deemed superfluous to the main plot. The mistake being, editorially, that the movie is not about the mystery but rather the man - so when the other pieces that were conceived expressly to characterize Holmes were cut away all we're left with was a typical Holmes story peppered with some elements (sexuality called into question, narcotics) that were made more explicit than usual.

I'm a pretty serious Wilder fan and a modest Holmes appreciator and I really like this one. It's not a great Holmes movie (but I prefer the more revisionist Holmes movies anyway - They Might Be Giants, for instance, is my favorite) but I think it's an underrated Wilder film. Even with the pieces that would have undoubtedly elevated the character moments cut out (and they're available on the DVD, but I found it better reading the full script, which is online) I think it's very rewarding. Witty and atmospheric, it's beautifully shot, scored and performed. I thought Wilder nailed the iconography of it better than anyone before and few since. Not being a serious Holmes purist, I found Stephens and Blakely to do well - I recognize the differences in this representation of Holmes, but I didn't bring any strong preconceived notions into it so I imagine it was an easier pill for me to swallow than someone with a firm idea of who and what Holmes should be.

The mystery falls into the unrewardingly absurd and the pay off doesn't equal the build up, but the relationship between Holmes and Gabrielle Valladon is quite well done and is strong as the heart of the film. Repeat viewings go a long way to illuminate how their dynamic is constantly shifting from scene to scene, and how intellectual sparring is going on between them throughout on various levels until she delivers a final, devastating coup in the very last scene. One that's the most emotional I've ever seen in a Holmes (or Holmes-esque) film. It's good stuff, and a blueprint Jake Kasdan actually ended up improving on with the best modern Holmes reinterpretation - Zero Effect.

I don't think Wilder was trying to redefine Holmes. I think he just wanted to do a Holmes story his way. Part of that was outing him. But that's an element I always thought was kind of half-baked either in it's intent or it's interpretation -- since the crux of the film is a (warped) heterosexual love story. I think he was playing with the perceptions. But it's clearly a personal film and I think Wilder walked away from it as part of a growing apathy toward the changes his industry was undergoing at the time and how much the transition of movies in the 70s was adversely effecting the old guard. He wanted to make a classical story, and even consciously structured it as a symphony, and the studio wanted a simpler, shorter movie with broad appeal to justify costs. So Wilder - often a company man who was often in complete sync with his audience - was on the cusp of something weird: a big period picture, essentially part of an unofficial franchise with an apparently built-in audience, that was personal and challenging in it's construction. It proved too classical and too amibitious, and I think when it was gutted of a lot of it's more idiosyncratic qualities (leaving a rather routine Holmes film) Wilder gave up the ghost. Had his version been released I think it would probably have found a bigger audience, as the fuller portrait contained some potentially crowd pleasing sequences that would have given the film more cohesion. What we're left with is like a ruin - the foundation and frame are intact, but many of the more unique details have been effaced. It's ironic that at the time a lot of more challenging, personal pictures were seeing release and audiences were more responsive to revisionist cinema. Somebody somewhere convinced Wilder of the opposite and he second guessed himself out of a final cut. At the same time, I don't think 70s audiences were looking for that kind of escapism touched with reality - the aforementioned They Might Be Giants was a resounding failure, and a much more unconventional updating of Holmes mythos than Wilder ever dreamed of. It's just too bad the excised footage for Private Life was in such poor condition as to prohibit it being reinserted back into the film properly.

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Not certain. The books and the movies all left that very open. My favorite Holmes movies were Basil & Jeremy, and this movie. It was certainly different, but that made it interesting.

Some I disliked, like the "Hound of the " with Capt. Kirk, it was in very poor color, and everybody acted like zombies. Some of the pre-Basil were also very poorly done.

I've been watching the Basil ones on U-tube. I see I've missed a few.

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"Particularly uncanonical and a bit stupid is the scene where a ballerina wants Holmes to sire her child.... really..."

If you watch the extras, you will see that this was planned as a four-part film. Three of the parts were comic sendups of the material, and the remaining part was--despite some humorous moments--more or less straight. The latter was kept--it is the body of the film--as was one of the other episodes, which gives you the film as it is now: a short comic piece followed by the main part, which could have easily been released without the other. It is rather unbalanced as is, but the fault wasn't Wilder's or Diamond's, but the studio's.

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"Anyway, thrown in there is also a scene in which Queen Victoria is portrayed in this cutesy "aw isn't she a sweet, doddering old lady completely out of touch with reality and capable of destroying the country because of a sentimental whim!" way. It should make you scowl."
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As well, it isn't that Queen Victoria is out of touch with reality--it is that her time (And that of the British Empire. And that of Holmes, to some degree) is passing. Heck, the reason Holmes is unable to solve the case is because his skills and values aren't quite enough to deal with the decidedly non-sporting, far more ruthless upcoming world of psych-ops. and by-any-means-necessary stealth. The ideas of fair play in war, Britain ruling the world partly because Victoria's children and grandchildren were on Europe's thrones, and detective work as a lone-wolf deal are beginning to die--and will be definitively finished off by WWI and the 20th Century it ushered in. What some are missing about TPLOSH is that is more an elegy than a thriller--it is a requiem for a world soon to vanish and a detective who embodies that world and those values in so many ways.

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Yes. Perceptive comments to be sure.

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"Yes. Perceptive comments to be sure."

Thanks! I can't take total credit for them--critic Richard Corliss was one of the first to note the "century's end" feel of the movie. And novelist Jonathan Coe did a nice tribute to the movie in a "Guardian" article (which is online, btw...) and he mentioned the same things.

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"Heck, the reason Holmes is unable to solve the case is because his skills and values aren't quite enough to deal with the decidedly non-sporting, far more ruthless upcoming world of psych-ops. and by-any-means-necessary stealth."

And, interestingly enough, Wilder's original version has the bank manager/Holmes enthusiast who facilitates the opening of Watson's personal effects mention James Bond in disdain as a counterpoint to Holmes. It's definitely an elegy in the face of the rising prominence of the Bond/Eurospy craze at the time the film was produced. Seriously, who had the balls to shred Billy Wilder's version? What a loss, since so much of what's debated seems to have been decidedly more pronounced (and poetic) in it's original construction.

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It's an excellent film, less about the "McGuffin" mystery and more about the man, a drama masquerading as a drawing room whodunnit. The casting is brilliant, the pacing about perfect, the dialogue authentic, the comedy satirical and broad, and the music sadly beautiful. That Holmes would find himself so easily fooled by his German counterpart is exactly and ironically the reason he so distrusts women -- and is condemning himself to a life of loneliness except for his friend, Watson. Compared the the comic book version with Robert Downey, Jr., it is light years ahead as a study of the Holmes and Watson characters.



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"It's definitely an elegy in the face of the rising prominence of the Bond/Eurospy craze at the time the film was produced."

:) One of the reasons I love this flick is its attention to detail. If the manager had been opening the vault post-WWI, he would have been complaining about those sensationalistic Ashenden/Edgar Wallace spy novels...;)

"Seriously, who had the balls to shred Billy Wilder's version?"

I would bet that person was one of the first corporate bottom-line bottom feeders with no feel for movies except as product that started infesting the industry around the 60's. It's interesting that even Wilder himself, who was one tough bird and veteran of many a creative war, apparently felt this movie's ruination most keenly of all his projects:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2005/apr/30/jonathancoe.arthurconandoyle

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A wonderful & insightful analysis! In a way, the Powell-Pressburger film The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp deals with that same transition from the Victorian code of honor to the more complex & morally murky world of the 29th Century. These two film would make an interesting double feature exploring that theme.

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Anyway, thrown in there is also a scene in which Queen Victoria is portrayed in this cutesy "aw isn't she a sweet, doddering old lady completely out of touch with reality and capable of destroying the country because of a sentimental whim!" way. It should make you scowl.
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You can't apply modern thoughts of honor and morality to the 1800s. WWI and its unrestricted submarine warfare were many years in the future and Britain still ruled the waves and grandson, Willie (the Kaiser), hadn't shown the world yet what he was capable of unleashing.


I think this is a good point. It wasn't just the Queen that would have found that idea of sneaking up on a ship and torpedoing it without warning unsporting, most of the British Public and Navy officers would have had the same feelings. When submarines first became operational in WWI they would approach a civilian ship on the surface and order the crew and any passengers to abandon it, then sink it with their deck guns.

Of course, this didn't last long as the British stated building fake merchant ships and arming them to the teeth with the idea of luring the U-boats in and sinking them.

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Your assessment of this movie is off, way off.

The plot is pure Holmes entertainment, fanciful, and full of Victorian intrigue. The acting is superb, Stephens may never rise to the level of Jeremy Brett, no human ever could, but he gives Holmes a streak of humanity that others never did. These movies from the 70s also have an intellectual honesty that modern movies have lost, aside from the "gay" aspect of the story, which is entirely quashed both with Watson's cavorting with the Russian dancers, and Holmes falling in love with the femme fatale, the plot is not encumbered with stories about the persecution of minorities, or global warming, or corporate greed, or any one of the other countless public service messages that are mixed in with every movie churned out today.

I find myself watching more of these old movies every day, they may lack the special effects of Avatar, or the plot sophistication of Shutter Island, but they are pure unfiltered entertainment, it's the difference between well water and city water.

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My poor Weichikris you have never seen any other Billy Wilder films?. This director may be the best one ever. Some Like It Hot, The Apartment, The Lost Weekend, Double Indemnity, Five Graves To Cairo, Ace In The Hole, Stalag 17, Witness For The Prosecution, Sunset Blvd, Sabrina and Avanti. I could of put more down but these are some of his classics and he did not make that many films. It has many touches in the film that only Billy Wilder could of done and with the whole film im sure the film would have made more sense and been a classic.

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'Anyway, thrown in there is also a scene in which Queen Victoria is portrayed in this cutesy "aw isn't she a sweet, doddering old lady completely out of touch with reality and capable of destroying the country because of a sentimental whim!" way. It should make you scowl.'

That was the whole point. Queen Victoria outlived her era and was a woman of the mid-nineteenth century up to the very beginning of the twentieth. Moreover, this episode shows that British and German engineers of the late nineteenth century were already planning the sort of technology that would come to be used in the Great War of 1914-18, a war that saw massive casualties precisely because those who fought in it were out of touch with the new machinery, which was doing a more efficient job of killing than the human beings involved were doing of defending themselves.

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I guess I'm mad.

I've been a Sherlock Holmes fan since girlhood when I read all of the Conan Doyle stories, and have liked - even loved - most of the incarnations of the famous sleuth that I've seen, including the recent Sherlock on PBS starring Benedict Cumberbatch (who IMO was born to portray Holmes).

I absolutely LOVE The Private Life of Sherlock Holmes which I watched this weekend. In the hands of the masterful Billy Wilder, with Robert Stephens in his prime, Miklos Rozsa's gorgeous Concerto for Violin and Orchestra, outstanding support from Colin Blakely, Genevieve Page, and Christopher Lee, what's not to love?

To me, it's not worth quibbling over any perceived minor misses here and there, as this film is a must for any true Sherlock Holmes freak. Viewers get a very interesting, and very rare, take on the man - not the detective.

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Well said, Merryapril. And Mark Gatiss is on record as saying that The Private Life was his inspiration for Sherlock.

http://www.sherlock-holmes.org.uk

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After reading the comments here I wasn't sure about watching this but you have persuaded me! I too have been a fan since childhood and agree that Cumberbatch was born to play Holmes.

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I agree wholeheartedly with Merryapril. This is a wonderful film, beautifully shot and demonstrating the wit and amazing talent of Billy Wilder. Add to that the gorgeous cinematography, first rate performances from the cast, and Rozsa's beautiful, melancholy score, and I think it's a real masterpiece.

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Beautiful, beautiful picture, butchered in the way 'the Magnificent Ambersons' was. What's left is fine and deserves at least 8, I guess with all scenes intact we could have been speaken about a (near) masterpiece. We could have :-(

Everytime I'm reading about the 'butchering' I'm hoping that one day someone will cry out 'I found the missing scenes INTACT'

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There are two basic pullers on a film`s direction.

1. The creative and visionary director.

2. The Boring fart backers who see films as nothing more than an investment.

This is why many films do not make complete sense - the farts have removed the bits that they didn`t understand.

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