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Excellent movie about a LUNATIC


TCM ran this last night and my husband and I watched every second of it..not even taking time for bathroom breaks.

The portrayal of Patton, WWII, and the ensuing battles that killed hundreds of thousands of people, I can say this, regarding General Patton: (just my opinion, mind you.)

1. He was mentally ill.

War is often a tragic necessity, but the sheer love this man had for blood, guts, gore and killing betray a deceased mind.

I read on some website, portions of a letter he wrote to his wife (more about THAT relationship in a minute) in which he brags about killing one of his own men by whacking him in the head...if true, this is HORRIFYING.

2. What kind of military leader has NO capacity or empathy for humanity? An unbalanced one, that's what kind! Generals were given a LOT of lee-way regarding their behavior...which tells me the "slapping incident" was far worse than portrayed in this movie. In fact, it only portrays ONE incident of Patton having a rage attack (verbal and physical) on a man who was shell-shocked.

3. He was a sexist, racist, PIG. Cheated on his wife, was rumored to have an affair with his own niece (how very Ancient Rome of him.) and once said "A colored soldier cannot think fast enough to fight in armor." What a POS.

4. He was such an aggressive, ruthless pro-war man that the Nazi's had a grudging admiration for him. Just think about THAT.

5. I wonder how many United States soldiers died because of his over-toe-top need to put them and himself in incredibly risky situations. He'd let his men go long period of time without food or sleep. And even worse, he was proud of it!

6. I don't believe he died in his sleep 12 days after a car crash (from which every other person involved was barely harmed.) I think he was put down, like the rabid animals that he was, by his own government. I also think that had he lived a longer life, he would have ended up mired in total senility.

There is nothing 'grand' or 'wonderful' about killing people. If there were a diplomatic way to diffuse a potentially violent situation, Patton would be opposed to it, (my own speculation.)

I would even go so far as to say that Patton himself suffered from shell-shock. we often lash out when we see qualities in others that we do not want to acknowledge about ourselves.

In a speech he made in 1944, he actually told a group of women (most of whom had sons who had died in battle) that "men who die in war are fools. The real heros are the wounded."

When he was told to stop the vulgar, aggressive war mongering speeches, he had a hard time controlling himself.

While this was a very, very good movie, it left me feeling sadness and despair over these types of military leaders who expect soldiers to be MACHINES, not human beings.

Just my 2 cents.

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"War is often a tragic necessity, but the sheer love this man had for blood, guts, gore and killing betray a deceased mind."

Deceased?

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Almost certain he meant to say 'diseased' but that's probably even less complimentary.


Why can't you wretched prey creatures understand that the Universe doesn't owe you anything!?

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I think Gen. Bradley summed it up perfectly.

"I do it because it's what I was trained to do. You George, you do it because you love it!"

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...the sheer love this man had for blood, guts, gore and killing betray a deceased mind.

"Deceased" mind? ROTFLMAO!!!

And how fast would this whiner run to a man like Patton if threatened by the Third Reich or ISIS?

Ever fight in any wars, dear? Ever think you haven't b/c of men like Patton?

Stool.

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Don't play polemics. It's infantile.

If you're going to read a thread entitled "Excellent movie about a LUNATIC", don't be surprised if a few people agree, regardless of what you think. And if you had bothered to read any of the rest of this thread before you got on your high horse and pronounced your competitive outrage, you might have realised that pretty much everyone agrees he was very effective, despite his personal flaws.

You might be descended from good, Puritan stock but that religion is of no value here.

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Before WHO got on his high horse? LOL!

Why insult? You're just being childish.

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If I may quote you:

And how fast would this whiner run to a man like Patton if threatened by the Third Reich or ISIS?

Ever fight in any wars, dear? Ever think you haven't b/c of men like Patton?

Stool.
I don't intend to lower myself to this level. It is you who delivered the insult with the last word of this quote (presumably because imdb would recognise that there is more than one meaning for the word "stool").

The thread is about Patton's character. It's not about one-upmanship or how big a man anyone is. This is one of the problems of the internet: it allows antagonists an opinion because anything else is an attack on freedom of speech. Asking if the person has experience of war is the infantile bit. This is because it attempts to disqualify everyone from commenting by appealing to authority. What relevance is there in that? None; it is a false-equivalence logical fallacy. Everyone here had recognised Patton's good qualities already, so you were going off half-cocked.

I am not under any illusions that a person like you could be swayed by any of this but you seem hell-bent on taking what could be, for the most part, an intelligent assessment of the man's character and reducing it to its irreducible and most childish minimum.

Blocked without regret so do your worst.

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That lunatic is a big reason why we don't speak German today. The Germans were so convinced that Patton was going to lead the invasion and Normandy was merely a diversion and as such, Hitler refused to send in his Panther reserves to Normandy which could've changed the outcome if he had.

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Yeah, it's a good thing WWII was fought by men with balls, not neuter-happy schoolmarms. I'm sorry he wasn't pacifist enough to your liking, but people are different, and he certainly had his use.

I'm usually against war myself--I'm not like Patton. But boy, do I admire Patton. The problem today is, people want everyone to be like them. Anyone who disagrees with you on anything is "ignorant." Some would rather see men like Patton handing out free lemonade at the PTA meeting, without any regard to the terrible toll that would take on a spirit like that.

Was Patton somewhat bloodthirsty? Yeah. Whether that's a fault or not in a wartime situation is debatable, but let's pretend for a moment it is a fault. What of it? I'm sure you've got one or two faults of your own, whoever you are.

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Thank you sir.
Patton was
a man of violence
against
men of violence
who started the violence.
However he certainly didn't massacre pows like the Nazis did.

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The real lunatics were the Jewish Supremacists.

Think about the fact that Paris is being overrun by Islamic fanatics and Africans--and people were worried about Germany?


"Legendary U.S. General George S. Patton realized late in the war that the United States fought the wrong country. Patton felt the U.S. should have sided with Germany to destroy Jewish Bolshevik/Communist USSR. This information comes from Patton's diary entries, letters he wrote to his wife, and comments he made to military officers and staff.

World War II was incredibly complex. However, in the final analysis, WWII was essentially a war between two competing ideologies: Nationalism -vs- Jewish Internationalism/globalism. Adolf Hitler and his allies fought to preserve the concept of Nationalism, not just for Germans but for all peoples the world over. Nationalism really just means the sovereignty of an ethnic people and the right of such ethnic people/nationalists - within their own bordered country - to self-determination. What is meant by self-determination? Self-determination just means an ethnic people preserving their unique culture & heritage and pursuing their collective goals as a unique people. This applies to any ethnic peoples: Nigerians, Germans, Swedes, Vietnamese, Mexicans, Tibetans, etc.

On the other side of WWII was Jewish (Bolshevik) Internationalism (today we simply call this 'globalism'). In the 1920's, 1930's, and of course during WWII, powerful Jewish Internationalists were fervently advancing the Jewish worldview of eventually eliminating all nations... except for a Jewish homeland... (what was later to be - after WWII - the nation of Israel in 1948). Today we see that nothing has changed; Jewish Internationalism/globalism still works toward gradually "merging" all peoples of the world (particularly in the Western World) into one globalist system with a global government, global laws, consistent global culture, global bank, global currency, etc. In short, Jewish globalism (i.e., the weakening and eventual elimination of all nations) is the exact opposite of Nationalism (i.e., a world composed of nations ... specifically, ethnically homogenous and bordered nations). The Allied powers of WWII (led by Roosevelt, Churchill, Stalin, et al) were tools of International Jewry and thus de facto fighting for the Jewish globalist worldview. After the (Jewish run) Allies won WWII in 1945, International Jewish forces were then free to exercise a Jewish 'Sphere of Influence' over the greater Western World (and as we see today, increasingly over the rest of the world)."


It is also weird how Patton died-hit by two trucks then he dies in hospital in a way that suggests someone gave him an injection of air.

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A movie about a LUNATIC, LOL. I'm in. Seriously, movies about regular people are usually boring. Just my opinion. Yes I'm boring.

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I was in the military for over 24 years I can honestly say most Generals were NOT all that impressive..but, they were in charge of a lot of people and had to make a lot of decisions. If they were tough but fair then they got a good reputation, if they treated everyone like slaves then their reputation was that they were rotten Generals.
As for Patton, the soldiers mostly hated him because he made them constantly move forward, no slacking in foxholes. They called him "old blood and guts" for a reason because he made them fight the enemy more than screw off. But here's the thing, the soldiers knew EXACTLY what they had to do when they fought for Patton. War sucks, WWII in Europe REALLY SUCKED whether you were in a foxhole or attacking the enemy. You were always either bored or too tired or sick of the lousy chow and why do those guys have this when our guys(especially "ME"!) can't get anything fixed or replaced? Give a dog faced soldier 1 day off he'll bitch because he didn't get a 3 day pass.
In the end they made a movie about General George S. Patton but not General Llyod Fredendall.

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Good post. The Patton you describe reminds me of Sherman in the Civil War. They believed that in war, more of their own men would survive if it was total and vicious and more quickly to bring capitulation by the enemy. Thanks for your service. What did you do in the military?

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"we often lash out when we see qualities in others that we do not want to acknowledge about ourselves."

Maybe, sometimes. But we more often lash out when we see qualities in others that are wrong, stupid, and annoying. Thank God there were toxically masculine hard-asses like Patton in charge when they were needed to overcome Nazi Germany.

Appreciated your 2 cents, though. Worth every penny.

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Nothing wrong with his having a sex life.

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