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Can someone who gets poetry and symbolism explain the lyrics to "Suicide is Painless"?

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The lyrics are meaningless.

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I disagree. The lyrics, posted below, mean that life is short, and if one is tired of hate (war) one recourse is suicide. Not a very good alternative, but one that's available to us all given that death is inevitable anyway.

Further, we make choices about loving or hating, and suicide is preferable to living in hate (war) since we all live in an imperfect, painful world. . . one where there are no easy answers to meaningful questions.

'Suicide is Painless'

Through early morning fog I see
visions of the things to be
the pains that are withheld for me
I realize and I can see...

[REFRAIN]:

that suicide is painless
It brings on many changes
and I can take or leave it if I please.
I try to find a way to make
all our little joys relate
without that ever-present hate
but now I know that it's too late, and...

[REFRAIN]

The game of life is hard to play
I'm gonna lose it anyway
The losing card I'll someday lay
so this is all I have to say.
[REFRAIN]

The only way to win is cheat
And lay it down before I'm beat
and to another give my seat
for that's the only painless feat.
[REFRAIN]

The sword of time will pierce our skins
It doesn't hurt when it begins
But as it works its way on in
The pain grows stronger...watch it grin, but...

[REFRAIN]

A brave man once requested me
to answer questions that are key
is it to be or not to be
and I replied 'oh why ask me?'

[REFRAIN]

'Cause suicide is painless
it brings on many changes
and I can take or leave it if I please.
...and you can do the same thing if you please.

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The sword of time will pierce our skins
It doesn't hurt when it begins
But as it works its way on in
The pain grows stronger...watch it grin--

One must remember that the lyrics were written by a teenager. It has been my expereince (I am an English teacher, and have taught "creative writing" as well as traditional literature and grammar courses) that teens tend to deal with dark topics. "Teen angst" is, indeed, an appropriate term.

That being said, the stanza above is especially prescient. "The sword of time," a metaphor, indicates that not only does time pass, but it destroys as well. As one ages (believe me, I'm beginning to experience this firsthand), things that were physically no big deal become real burdens as the body wears down. At first, these little aches seem minor ("It doesn't hurt when it begins"). But as time passes, its sword leaves a deeper cut, and those little aches become arthritis, gout, etc. No matter what remedies we use, they only delay the inevitible, and so the pain mocks us ("watch it grin" [personification]).

Verse structure: quatrain
Rhyme scheme: AAAA (or AABB if we get really nitpicky on the forced rhyme on the last 2 lines)
Rhythm: Iambic quatrameter (the SWORD of LIFE will PIERCE our SKINS)

"uva uvam vivendo varia fit"

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I heard a remake of this song on the radio and it finally led me here. Very nice analysis. The "sword of time" metaphor is particularly powerful in my opinion.

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Was the re-make by "Manic Street Preachers"? If so, that is a kick-ass (really good) version.

I am putting together a video of clips and stills from our recent stage production of M*A*S*H, and I am using that version for the music track.

"uva uvam vivendo varia fit"

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dadoo4050 typed:


One must remember that the lyrics were written by a teenager. It has been my experience (I am an English teacher, and have taught "creative writing" as well as traditional literature and grammar courses) that teens tend to deal with dark topics. "Teen angst" is, indeed, an appropriate term.


Reportedly, Robert Altman wanted the lyrics to be "meaningless." Instead, we got a sad, moving song about death and futility that has endured and people still listen to 40+ years later. Springtime for Hitler indeed (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SpringtimeForHitler).

"May the Force be with you."

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The game of life is hard to play
I'm gonna lose it anyway
The losing card I'll someday lay
so this is all I have to say.

This stanza is really simple--but a nice use of extended metaphor. (Metaphor=implied comparison [not using the words "like" or "as"].) The comparison is obvious--life is like a game that cannot be won, as no matter how we play it, it ultimately ends in death. The "losing card" is another reference to suicide as it is the ACT of laying this card that ends the game.

This extended metaphor continues into the next stanza.

Verse structure: quatrain
Rhyme scheme: AAAA
Rhythm: Iambic quatrameter (the GAME of LIFE is HARD to PLAY)

"uva uvam vivendo varia fit"

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The "losing card" is the inevitability of death that comes too all. So suicide is considered an alternative. To cheat death of playing the card "for" us, suicide is chosen as the alternative that puts the play in our own hands. But since that is self-murder it is no option. How could it be true that we could cheat "inevitable death" by taking our own life earlier? That doesn't even make sense. It would be like saying "to keep someone from taking my money in high taxes when I die, I'm going to burn all of my money now and show them!!" How stupid.

Ecclesiates 2:14 The wise man's eyes are in his head; but the fool walketh in darkness: and I myself perceived also that one event happeneth to them all.

Ecclesiates 6:6 Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good: do not all go to one place?

Ecclesiates 7:1-2 A good name is better than precious ointment; and the day of death than the day of one's birth. '2' It is better to go to the house of mourning, than to go to the house of feasting: for that is the end of all men; and the living will lay it to his heart.

Ecclesiates 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. '6' Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.





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I think the point is that taking your own life (or putting your own life in danger [such as in war]) means you retain some degree of control of the choice or situation, instead of having death just happen randomly. Some other good examples of this idea in movies are "Whose Life Is It Anyway?" (1981), "'night, Mother" (1986)--based on a Pulitzer Prize-winning play-- & "Short Time" (1990). It's not death that's being "cheated" so much as the fear of it.

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The point of the refrain is choice, the option to choose how you die. This is, of
course, contrary to religious doctrine which is why it's so subversive. Very much
in the spirit of the film.

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A brave man once requested me
to answer questions that are key
is it to be or not to be
and I replied 'oh why ask me?'

Another simple stanza, but interesting in that it uses allusion (allusion=referencing an earlier work or historical event). The obvious allusion here is to "Hamlet." Young Altman tops the Dane's despair ("to be, or not to be?") with an even gloomier statement of futility ("oh, why ask me?").

"uva uvam vivendo varia fit"

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I always figured the lyrics were meant to be taken as a bit over the top. Kinda absurd. I've never seen it as other than what was supposed to be a bit of dark comedy where the guy singing was probably doing so with a big smile because he understood the context. I could be dead wrong, but tone can throw any reading of lyrics on its head.

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I stand corrected.

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Thanks, Hoobler. You'd be most welcome in my class.

"uva uvam vivendo varia fit"

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And you, too, 2001-4, would be welcome in my class. You recognize that the lyrics are not meaningless, as indicated by your earlier post. That you do not find the mechanics of poetry engaging is OK with me; I would welcome your input as to interpretation. I am sure that you can liven things up.

A warning, though: in my class, a student is never allowed to use the word "boring" to critique a work they do not find engaging. Unless, of course, he or she goes on to explain just why the piece is boring.

"uva uvam vivendo varia fit"

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I found your posts very interesting, though I always thought the lyrics were easily interpreted.

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I thought the lyrics to the opening were brilliant. Did they use them for the TV series as well?

"...And listen to the music of the night"
Phantom of the Opera, 2004

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the folks in my office are so young they did not know the song had words.

i bought the sound track to the movie,and the song expands as it is done different ways,orcestrated and reprise. highly recommended.

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We used to sing this song in middle school music class when the tv show was popular. How times have changed! That would be a lawsuit waiting to happen now.

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No offense, but isn't the meaning of the song obvious without a lot of English Lit class explanation? Plus, I've always taken the song to be a reference to the character Painless, who thinks he's commiting suicide when he ingests the "black pill."

Always paint the ceiling before the walls.

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My question is why are their so many lines writen that aren't actually sung in the song, but everyone seems to know?

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An additional verse is sung later in the movie, during a "funeral" scene.
As for the other missing verse, it's easy to find online (including right here on IMDB).

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To Mmm Vampires.... They used a shortened version of the song with no lyrics...just the music for the TV series.

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Oh, cool, thanks.

Cause we find ourselves in the same old mess singin' drunken lullabies
-Flogging Molly

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I once worked for a broadcast radio station. There was a memo from management posted in the disk jokey's booth that mandated, THE VOCAL VERSION OF THE THEME FROM MASH IS (UNDERLINED) NEVER TO BE PLAYED ON THE AIR.

As I recall, the TV series used an intrumental only version of the theme.

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If I remember, I think when it was first shown on TV they used an instrumental version of the theme then as well.

Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans

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I know the 'only way to win is cheat' verse is from a scene in the movie, but I've never heard this verse before;

I try to find a way to make
all our little joys relate
without that ever-present hate
but now I know that it's too late, and...

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Is it available on any version of the song anywhere? I don't own the soundtrack, maybe someone can tell me if these two extra verses are on it?


"All the long distance lines are down? What about the satellites, is it snowing in space?"

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To answer my own question; just got a copy of the soundtrack on CD and it's basically just a compilation of sound clips from the movie. Glad I didn't pay much for it. But the mystery of that additional verse continues...


"All the long distance lines are down? What about the satellites, is it snowing in space?"

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I presume that the verse starting-(1)I try to find a way to make- is part of the official
lyrics. But I have yet to find a recorded version that includes that verse. Some also
omit the verse starting-(2)The only way to win is cheat. The soundtrack version used over
the opening credits includes #2, but not #1. The version sung during Painless' last
supper is even shorter. It omits #1 and skips from the end of verse #2 to the final
extended refrain. They use a wonderful instrumental and choral version(No Lyrics) for
the following sequence-Painless' res-erection. They must have used whichever version fit
the edited sequence, timewise.

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great song

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tHAT WAS A VERY THOUGHTFUL AND INSIGHTFUL 14 YEAR OLD

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