Why did Ray love Martha?
I mean, we have a handsome, charming guy who falls in love with a fat, jealous bitch. It doesn't make sense.
Does my butt make these jeans look fat?
I mean, we have a handsome, charming guy who falls in love with a fat, jealous bitch. It doesn't make sense.
Does my butt make these jeans look fat?
I thought that when I first saw the film and then I happened to be listening to a criminal psychologist talking about sociopaths on the radio. She was asked about murderous double acts and the devotion they often show to one another. She said that sociopathic personalities often feel very isolated and know that they are not normal and to find someone who thinks and acts as they do it makes them feel better about themselves and provides companionship. This is probably what happened with them. Though I also didn't see what all those women saw in Ray. He was quite good looking but so cheesy and obvious.
shareThe real Ray wasn't as attractive as TL http://z.about.com/d/crime/1/0/0/U/fernandez_r.jpg. Also, it's like what lornamd says. She was probably the only woman he could show his real self to because she was nuts also.
"Thanks for the Dada-ist peptalk. I feel much more abstract now."-Buffy
People fall in love for all kind of crazy reasons. I see good looking women marry ugly fat men just like good looking men marrying ugly skinny women. Who knows. These two had something in common. Love has nothing to do with looks.
shareMost 'love' is based on an unconscious recognition of similarities in childhood and families, especially where they are unhappy and/or dysfunctional.
Besides which her obsessive love would have been highly flattering to him. A 'love' for which she was willing to kill.
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Yes, love has nothing to do with looks. It goes much deeper than that...Martha was a sadistic, lonely nurse...why wouldn't Ray fall for her? They shared much in common.
What I found most interesting in the Criterion Collection set is the reprint of the letter Ray wrote to his real wife and children before he was executed. He displayed his love to his wife - and... and, in this letter you can really tell just how suave he was! I don't doubt he truly loved his real wife and kids....he was just a sick-pup!
...short...sharp...shock!
I thought about the same thing. The other women they were scamming together were all more beautiful than Martha. I guess Ray originally intended to scam Martha, like the others before her. But for some reason ended up teaming up with Martha. It is possible Ray wasn't very serious about their relationship. He was perhaps even planning to leave Martha for the last woman, the one who was pregnant.
shareRay's love for Martha makes sense for psychological reasons. But you have to keep in mind that both Ray and Martha have abnormal psychologies. First, shortly after their first meeting in Mobile, Martha goes to visit Ray in New York. We get that long camera pan across all of the photos of other lonely hearts women that Ray has apparently fleeced (and possibly even murdered). He asks her whether she still loves him, now that she knows everything about him. She says without hesitation that she does. She has no qualms about this. It is extremely attractive for a person, especially a person with secrets like Ray, to encounter a partner who sees your darkest secrets in exact detail -- and then still accepts you. Most people would either reject you or only accept you out of obtuseness, i.e., they aren't seeing how bad the real you is.
Second, I'd suspect that Ray has a very twisted and toxic mother complex, and Martha ties in with this. Many of Ray's victims are middle-aged or even elderly, that is, the age the character's mother would be if she were present in the film. Ray's fake 'suave' persona plays into female fantasies about what they wish men were like, while his real plans and desires go unnoticed. He's like a child with a strict, controlling, or emotionally abusive mother, who has learned to adapt by beguiling her with whatever nonsense she wants to hear. By lying and play-acting, he gets to be the "good boy" she claims she wants and is trying to mold. This gives him plausible deniability to do what he's going to do anyway, behind her back. The actions he does take with his victims indicate - among other things - a profound misogyny.
Martha's relationship with Ray has a number of maternal elements to it. In spite of her immature pouting and acting out, once the two of them get together, the head nurse in her assumes major responsibilities in Ray's life. Regarding their criminal activities, she often takes the initiative in stealing, lying, manipulating, and even murdering. Some of the crime victims even remark on this, and utter lines like, "You're more like a mother to him than a sister."
At the same time Ray feels a deep attraction to Martha, he is afraid of her, and this is remarked on in the film. The obverse is not true. Martha is passionately in love with Ray, but she is never afraid of him, only that he might leave or betray her. Her lack of fear may even be related to her size - she is larger than him physically, and in spite of his physical fitness, it's a toss-up whether he'd prevail in a physical fight with her.
But his fear of her doesn't really stem from her physicality, but from what it represents: the overpowering, oceanic might of her out-of-control, insane emotions, which at any given moment might erupt into madness and violence. Her passions are so excessive, so selfish, and so instantly self-justified by her that she is a frightful figure indeed. Certainly, this is part of what the little girl who rejects her "senses" - the evil of selfish emotion that is unchecked and rationalized. To Ray, Martha is fearsome, perhaps even as fearsome as the first woman who, I'd guess, terrorized him: his own mother. The ideal, forgiving, indulgent mother and the selfish, terrible mother inhabit the same person, Martha, and this must exert a powerful magnetic force on Ray.
Someone in this thread said that it was because of his sociopathic personality which is probably true but it's also because of his narcissistic personality as well ... narcissists love it when their partners are out of their league....they love the power they have in relationships...and they will feed off of this to keep their partners weak and isolated...needy and insecure.
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