I just watched this movie last night and I'm not sure if it's just me or what but did anyone ever see what happened to Posey? The last shot I see him in is he shoots a flare up in the sky, his partner next to him gets shot and dies and they never shows Posey again, I don't think the other would have left him to die. Can anyone fill me in on this.
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Saw the movie when it came out and I made the same comment then, "what happened to Posey?"
shareWe also never really see what happens to Gilpin, who blew up the antenna on top of the chateau. I guess we can assume that he sacrificed himself, as he was stuck in the roof and couldn't cut the radio wire, so he tossed several grenades at the antenna - which appeared to be only a few feet away from him. Whatta guy.
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When you see Pedro is shot, I guess you can assume their position is being overrun and Posey got waxed as well.
shareSaw this when it opened in 1967. I have a vivid memory of seeing Clint Walker hit in the chest and dying a bloody death. Like everyone else, who sees this on TV and video, I wonder if my memory is false. If you pause the DVD you see Posey and Bravos from behind. Bravos is firing his 50 caliber while Posey looks to be setting off another explosive. He then jerks as if he ih being shot. The next shot is of the German motorcycle being hit by machine gun fire and a quick cut to Bravos being killed. I'd love to find out if my memory of seeing this back in 1967 is true. It was very vivid as it was the first movie I had seen showing (what was then) graphic and bloody death.
shareYou must be very old ;-)
share"You must be very old."
You know, there are those of us who are old enough to have served our country in WWII, Korea, or Viet Nam . . . and still feel young. Anybody who was not born for the first moon landing is a mere child, and anybody who was not born by the time Star Wars (1977) came out is a still a pupae.
I know it's late! (your post is very old)? but a nice 'comeback' to certain "trolls" who do not have the faintest idea of what life and fighting for ones liberty is all about,,and never will? Good job Nemesis9800.
Hope you are still around?
Re: "You must be very old ;-)"
It happens...
Saw it 67 too. Always wonder what happend to Cheyenne Bodie.
shareI saw it in the thater when it was first out, and several times on tv since. Although one assumes his position was overrun and he was killed in action, I have never seen Posey's actual death scene. Everytime I see the movie I watch for it, thinking I missed something, but I have never seen him die. If there were a Posey death scene, it must have been sliced out by the time it went to the neighborhood theaters.
As I recall in the book Posey--whose Amerindian background is made much more of in the book-- decides to make his death a heroic, "it is a good day to die" last stand and brings out some Navajo paraphenalia in his foxhole, but I don't think the specifics of his death are ever shown, or even mentioned in the long battle report that closes the novel. I think he's listed as MIA but presumed killed in action.
Why was jim brown in the film?He cannot act,he was always in trouble with the law..throwing ladies off of cliffs etc.he was and is a blatant racist and he is ugly.
Why did your mother decide to lay down with your father? Otherwise such a sorry sack of crap wouldn't be born to post idiocy on any message board.
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RIP Heath Ledger 1979-2008
So what sinisac?
We are of all ages on IMDb regardles,,and we can all contribute in one way or another. I could say:- that you are very stupid? but I wont. Age does'nt play any part in these discussions! just grow up! ok?
It's very likely you did see Posey's violent demise back in 67', especially if that memory remains so vivid.
Acording to the 2 disc DVD commentary, the original rough cut was approx' 4 hours long. Director Aldrich shot a ton of extra footage. Thru-out movie history, there are hundreds of examples of alternate scenes, shots and versions that slip past the final cut and make their way to a few 1st run theaters, local TV affiliates, cable and VHS; before DVDs were more careful on preserving the correct transfers. A few examples of alternates: THE TOWERING INFERNO: a fireman getting eletrocuted from simultaneous contact with a live wire & water; another fireman (& prominate character) drowning at the film's climax. BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES: Brent's (James Fransicus) death; a closeup showed a stitch of small squibs actually exploding across his forehead (that I saw twice, leaving no room for doubt). In the version available, the squibs just explode across his midsection. MARTY: an added scene with Betsy Blair that's in the VHS version. THE WOLFMAN (1941): The ending; after Talbot's death (Lon Chaney), a scene back at the castle with the remaining actors (Rains, Ankers, Bellamy, Knoweles and Williams) using philosophy to summarize the tragedy.
The reason the public is exposed to the alternate versions are because a film often is edited several times before everyone compromises on the final cut. In the interim, this leads to mislabeling, oversights, carelessness and mischievous acts. More so decades ago, than now. So celebrate! Your memory is fine. You saw what you remembered.
You're right.
I saw 'The Man Who Would Be King', in theatres.
I've rad posts on here, from others who also did. From what they say, there are lines & scenes I vividly remember, which are not on the DVD.
Carpe Noctem!
"...before DVDs were more careful on preserving the correct transfers."
The process of preparing and making DVDs has nothing to do with what appears in a cinema.
"The reason the public is exposed to the alternate versions are because a film often is edited several times before everyone compromises on the final cut. In the interim, this leads to mislabeling, oversights, carelessness and mischievous acts. More so decades ago, than now."
The main reason that something like that might happen in the past was the much slower roll out of a film's release. Even within countries a major film would almost certainly open in one or two cinemas before gradually widening, if and when the films popularity merited it. It could take months for a film to reach the small local cinemas.
During that time a film might also be shortened to fit into a (then very common) double bill.
Films might be cut in some countries (and for TV) for censorship reasons.
Having said that, many of these cuts would be to prints rather than printing masters.
It is true that now it can be difficult and time-consuming to discover what was the "correct" final cut, and often there is no easy definition. There is also the problem that a shorter surviving master might be in the best condition so ideally that would be the basis of a remaster, with any extra scenes inserted from longer masters. Of course all that takes time, money and the will to get it as right as possible.
"So celebrate! Your memory is fine. You saw what you remembered."
That doesn't necessarily follow and memory is far more unreliable than we like to think. Try searching for "False Memory Syndrome".
Posey was in the machine gun nest ("Donald Duck") guarding the entrance to the chateau with the other guy and you see the machine gun nest get hit, and the other guy is clearly killed, but they never really show Posey getting killed. You can assume he got it. As another poster mentioned, Clint Walker actually acknowledged in an email to a fan that his death was never actually shown in the movie. Probably an oversight by director Robert Aldrich.
Just to give you "closure," Posey was definitely killed. There were only three survivors: Reisman, Wadislaw, and the sergeant.
I saw this last night and thought exactly the same thing -what happened to Posey?
anyway, thanx for attempting to clear it up. Cant help thinking it sounds like sloppy directing or editing...
I've always wondered the same thing. I've seen the movie over and over again and never seen what happened to Posey.
shareI had heard that Walker was pissed his death scene wasn't shown, but that's second hand. I think you can assume, based on where he was and what happened to Bravos, that he was killed holding his position.
In the book he actually took of his shirt, painted his face with indian war paint, and was seen by Reisman and the other survivors as they drove off, fighting hand to hand against a bunch of Germans before he was taken down. That would have been cool to see, I think...shame they didn't leave it in.
Glad to know I'm not the only one who wondered about this.
share"In the book he actually took of his shirt, painted his face with indian war paint, and was seen by Reisman and the other survivors as they drove off, fighting hand to hand against a bunch of Germans before he was taken down. That would have been cool to see, I think...shame they didn't leave it in."
Yes, this would have been a great way for Posey to go out. This movie was pretty good but I prefer The Guns of Navarone and Where Eagles Dare. And also The Wild Geese.
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Old thread but for those who read dead threads I'd like to add a thought:
I'm one of those old enough to have seen this in the theaters/1st run. This movie was made long before the home media center was thought of. Movies were shown in theaters than disappeared. Yeah, by the late 50s on you could catch 'em again on TV but I don't think the 'thinking' had caught up with the times yet with movie makers even in the 60s. We buy them now on DVD, watch at home over and over again which gives us the opportunity to 'pause', 'rewind' and look at these movies under a microscope. Also, with CGI, computer graphics etc its much easier and cheaper to 'fix' a scene these days. Editors may have been aware of certain minor errors but figured 'whos gonna notice/remember ?' especially with fast paced action flix like this one. To go back and re shoot a scene would have been cost prohibitive and really not justified if not a major plot flaw.
Upon exiting a movie like this (theater) one talked about the 'action' sequences. Someone might ask 'Hey, what ever happened to Posey ?" and it might have been given a few moments thought - another might have wrongly remembered and replied "I saw him get wasted by German machine gun fire" and with that, you now seem to remember same (or wonder if when that scene flashed by you were picking spilt popcorn from your lap ?) Some one else chimes in with 'thats right, I remember now' and the matter was settled.The the conversation turned to the previews of next weekends block buster.No doubt there were those in the business/involved with the movie who did think in terms of future tech. advances but I doubt very few at the time ever imagined anything like the internet, let alone an 'IMDB forum' where fans would dissect movies frame.
Pre internet most discussion of movies were from memory (notoriously flawed) and once a movie had came and gone, they really weren't talked about again - at least nowhere like they are now.
Ironman, you took the words right outta my mouth. I saw DIRTY at a drive-in with my parents. Didn't see it again for maybe 12-13 years, and then saw it heavily chopped up on broadcast TV. I never dreamed that all kinds of films and "complete" seasons of TV shows would ever be available to dissect frame by frame. Sometimes the nitpicking on continuity lapses or mismatched shots drives me bonkers. A few months ago, one of my under-30 colleagues had seen a few episodes of GUNSMOKE and she asked me if the final episode had tied up loose ends, like Matt and Kitty getting married. I told her that most older TV shows just ended. There were no special finales like with M*A*S*H. You read in TV Guide or somewhere that GUNSMOKE had been canceled and wouldn't be returning in the fall.
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