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The donkey is the only one who can act in this movie!


I know this topic title is a little bit provocative but I really didn't like the way actors acted in this movie, and especially the way Bresson directed them. I think it also happens in other Bresson movies. Bresson is known for chosing non-professional actors and to direct them that way, but it looks like totally unatural.
The tone of their voice, the way they act seem totally cold, distant, the way you would never do in real life. When they speak, it sounds very strange.
In addition to that, some actions and events seem also completely strange and unrealistic.

I'm sure the director wanted to achieve something in doing that way, but it failed completely to make me evolved in what I was seeing, or even moved by the movie.
I can understand people find this movie so great, but in the same way I keep wondering because I found it too boring and not moving at all.

I tried to whatch other Bresson movies ('Un condamné à mort s'est échappé' and 'Les Dames du bois de Boulogne') but it was even worse and I had to stop at half an hour of movie.


Does anyone else agree with me?

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great film, the donkey should have won an Oscar though

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chris I think the original poster was actually french. IMO he is totally right. This film is vastly overrated. There are far far superior french films from this era

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chris I think the original poster was actually french.
Yes, I am. And maybe that's why I found people sounded totally not natural when they spoke in this movie.
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I agree.

The scenes around the father's death were so amateurish, I didn't believe he was dead. I knew he was, but I didn't believe it. The only clue was the way he was lying on the bed when his wife came in. Bresson should have used manequins, it would have gone unnoticed... hm, maybe he did?

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Bresson thought there were two schools of filmmaking: theater and cinema. "Theater" to him was simply filmed plays, with prominent acting performances. By contrast, Bresson thought of his own films as "cinema," almost like compositions in a way. He did not want the actors to introduce their own interpretations which could possibly change the meaning of the film. One quote has Bresson saying something, "To make a film, you must get past the will of the people appearing in the film." Bresson belonged to the school of thought that the only creative force behind a film is the director, and the actors in the film must be subordinate to the director's vision and ideas.
To this end, Bresson was noted for using people who were generally not professional actors and were often unknowns. Often he used them for only one film and then never hired them again. A rare exception is Jean-Claude Guilbert, who appears in both "Au Hasard Balthazar" and again in "Mouchette" (just a year later) but as a different character. Bresson often made chalk marks on the ground, which were not visible to the camera, and instructed the actors to keep their eyes on the chalk marks as much as they can. This is one reason why they keep looking down.
Bresson was also known for repeating many takes of one scene, as many as 50 takes of a single scene at a time, to drain the actors of any last vestige of "performance" so that they were no longer performing or acting, but in a way actually living the scene as if it was real life instead of acting in movie. Bresson felt that something magical happened when all artificial "performance acting" was stripped away. Bresson often referred to the people appearing in his films as "models" rather than actors. Bresson studied painting and still photography before becoming a filmmaker. And some scenes in his films do have a feeling of a still life, rather than a motion picture.
I personally believe that Bresson somewhat overdid this draining of performance, and the result is that some of the people in the films have a zombie-like quality rather than seeming like living people. But I guess he wanted to err on that side rather than erring on the side of "artifical" theatricality in the acting, which he did not want in his films. Another thing very important to Bresson was the juxtaposition of one scene with another - the contrast between the mood of one scene and a jarringly different mood of the next scene was important and interesting to Bresson.

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The effect of Bresson's method is not to introduce something completely naturalistic to the "acting", but to draw attention to what the characters do (notice the close-ups on the hands/legs etc) rather than what they feel or think. Bresson believe humans do lots of things without thinking. While this bring about a kind of zombie-like quality to his characters (in the words of a poster), it does bring out something different to his films.

His films are as far from melodrama as could possibly be (death of Marie being a case in point), so you dwell on what happens, rather than the "acting". He isn't very interested in facial expression.

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Bresson thought there were two schools of filmmaking: theater and cinema. "Theater" to him was simply filmed plays, with prominent acting performances. By contrast, Bresson thought of his own films as "cinema,"



With the exception of Un condamné à mort s'est échappé..., I would call his films "anti-cinema": perhaps interesting in a conceptual way, but ultimately unlikeable.

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I dunno, I was expecting some real dead fish delivery, but found the acting surprisingly naturalistic, actually (relatively speaking, of course). It sort of was what it´s said to be, but not at all to such extreme degree. I mean, for instance, the ultra-deadpan delivery in Aki Kaurismäki movies is much more "wooden" than that. Overall, the acting in Balthazar is just about right, I guess.



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"Bresson's most intriguing limitation is to forbid his actors to act. He was known to shoot the same shot 10, 20, even 50 times, until all "acting" was drained from it, and the actors were simply performing the physical actions and speaking the words. There was no room in his cinema for De Niro or Penn. It might seem that the result would be a movie filled with zombies, but quite the contrary: By simplifying performance to the action and the word without permitting inflection or style, Bresson achieves a kind of purity that makes his movies remarkably emotional. The actors portray lives without informing us how to feel about them; forced to decide for ourselves how to feel, forced to empathize, we often have stronger feelings than if the actors were feeling them for us."

An excerpt from Roger Ebert's 'Great movies' review.

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Yeah I wasn't impressed by the acting myself.

Better to be king for a night than schmuck for a lifetime.

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The actors portray lives without informing us how to feel about them; forced to decide for ourselves how to feel, forced to empathize, we often have stronger feelings than if the actors were feeling them for us

TCM just showed four Bresson movies (this, Pickpocket, Diary of a Country Priest and Trial of Joan of Arc), so I think I got a good sample of what he wanted from his actors in these movies. Except for the donkey in this and the country priest, I didn't care about or empathize with any of the characters in the movies. The flat, non-expressive acting is just as pretentious and in-your-face as Joan Crawford chewing scenery in Mildred Pierce. It draws attention to itself in an obvious way, sort of "Look at us, we're breaking up with someone or enduring this terrible calamity but acting like we're reciting the phone book". Bresson may have not wanted to imitate "filmed plays" but having non-actors come across as zombies isn't an improvement in my book.

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