I love Agnes Moorehead what a terrific actress but she overacts in this film quite a lot and quite terribly compared to Maidie Norman in Baby Jane what a difference.
Joseph Cotten told his wife that Mary Astor gave a much better performance with Joan Crawford than Olivia de Havilland. I have a feeling that this was also the case with Agnes Moorehead.
The Golden Globes and the Academy Awards obviously felt Agnes gave a great performance but maybe they were a little wrong?
What do you think? Do you think Agnes Moorehead gave a much better performance with Joan Crawford than Olivia? Did Agnes deserve the golden globe and oscar nomination?
I think Moorehead does a great job. She steals the film.
The person who overacted in this film was Bette Davis. She hammed it up BIG TIME in this one, and it wasn't necessary for her character. She was just wanting to be the center of it all.
Bette was hoping to get another Oscar nomination for Charlotte but no such luck. I'm glad she didn't. She was also hoping she'd be able to sing the theme to 'Hush' on the Oscar telecast but they chose Patti Page instead.
Bette was hoping to get another Oscar nomination for Charlotte but no such luck. I'm glad she didn't. She was also hoping she'd be able to sing the theme to 'Hush' on the Oscar telecast but they chose Patti Page instead.
That's what I read. *How* she though her performance in "Hush" was in any way award-worthy is just a testament of her own diluted ego. Same with her singing...Bette was a horrible singer. reply share
I agree. I just saw this movie over the weekend and I didn't like Bette Davis in it. She was a wonderful actress but I thought she overplayed it this time, coming off as screechy and hammy. On the other hand, I thought Mary Astor was really good.
Bette was over the top because her character was over the top. The director also had a lot to say in how she performed the role. I believe that it's one of Bette's finest performances.
Bette's performance was excellent but I found watching this movie I am so impressed with all four women in this movie,Bette kept Charlotte just this side of people thinking she was crazy but still had you thinking maybe she was crazy then you had Olivia's subtly evil portrayal of Miriam, then Agnes Moorehead touching portrayal of white trash but loyal house keeper and then Mary Astor's two brief scenes where she verbally rips Miriam to shreds on the street then her subtle scene with Cecil Kellaway while pouring tea on the balcony, I think Astor's performance is the standout of four very excellent performances from the women .Amazing performances from all four.
Yes, Olivia was great. Her performance worked because she created a breezy contrast to Bette Davis. But would Joan's greater similarity to Bette be a strength or a weakness had Joan completed CHARLOTTE?
Unlike BABY JANE, in which Crawford is wheelchair bound and whose malevolence is not clear until the final denouement, the idea of Joan, in giant beehive and gargantuan neckwear, prowling silently around the antebellum manor at midnight (as Olivia did in the final version of CHARLOTTE) is just too intriguing.
And we get a whiff of what that might have been like in William Castle's I SAW WHAT YOU DID in which Joan is costumed accordingly, and photographed by shadowmaster Joseph Biroc (who also filmed CHARLOTTE) even though, obviously, I SAW WHAT YOU DID was a B-movie.
I agree. I just saw this movie over the weekend and I didn't like Bette Davis in it. She was a wonderful actress but I thought she overplayed it this time, coming off as screechy and hammy. On the other hand, I thought Mary Astor was really good.
COMPLETELY agree - Bette Davis was horrible in this film.
I can't believe a prior poster claimed Robert Aldrich had 'input' as to how she played the role. Davis was a producer on the film, Aldrich did not tell her how to play the role. The fact is, Davis wasn't the 'great actress' she's built up to be. Many of her performances were total crap, and this is a prime example of that.
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Eli is is the obsessed Bette hating Auntie Carla, all right. She would brush her teeth, but unfortunately she lost them all during the Peloponnesian War.
Actually, I'm not...I would like to at least be linked to "Auntie Carla" to see what they wrote because if YOU disagreed with them, then they probably made a lot of sense.
I'm simply someone who think Bette Davis is totally overrated...you on the other hand seem to guard this board fearful of anyone who doesn't share your opinion. Very pathetic.
her saying. SO! your finally showing the right side of your face, ain't ch ya?! well, I seed it all the time! was priceless! I loved that line. she could see how fake Miriam's sweetness was.
Olivia was great I'm not denying that and of course you're right we won't know about Crawford because the footage doesn't exist but I do think she would have been as equally good as Olivia was.
People seem to forget (or aren't aware) that Miriam was originally written as a hard, conniving bitch which suited Crawford's acting style. When she was replaced and at the insistence of Olivia, Miriam was rewritten as a cool but devious sophisticate.
Joseph Cotten (according to his wife Patricia Medina) said that 'Mary Astor gave a much better performance with Joan than with Olivia. She was just marvelous with Crawford. Even Bette agreed that Astor was great with Crawford.'
Joan would have played it like an evil bitch from the beginning, and there wouldn't have been the surprise element in Miriam's character. Olivia was the kind, sympathetic cousin on the surface who is evil incarnate beneath her mask. Olivia played it brilliantly. I don't think that Joan would have been as effective in the role as Olivia was. And sadly, Joan was turning into a world class alcoholic by that time. I doubt that she could have completed the film.
Although I agree Olivia's duplicity were effective, one wonders how much darker CHARLOTTE would have felt with Crawford looking and acting just as she did in I SAW WHAT YOU DID.
Its ridiculous for people to say or even think Joan Crawford couldn't have played Miriam because she would have been obvious but there she was until Bette bulldozed her off the film. If Robert Aldrich didn't think she could play the part then he wouldn't have approached her but he did because he obviously thought she could and keep in mind Miriam was written differently then when Olivia later assumed the role. What Aldrich didn't anticipate was the drama that went on behind the scenes between Crawford and Davis ultimately leading to the formers dismissal.
I understand that Crawford played Miriam with her intentions unhidden to us, where as de Havilland's sugary performance gave us the twist at the climax.
Another reason perhaps she was nom was for being different than her character; compare it to Bewitched. Wasn't Moorehead sophisticated in real life? She would also play a low-class character in The Twilight Zone (without even speaking)
outstanding performances all the way around in yes, a derivite mish mash of other films.
Dilys Powell? anyway one of the big British critics said that Davis had done nothing better since THE LITTLE FOXES....and the kubuki like look, the shrieking, re the undead Joseph Cotten scene on the stair well--this is not over the top this is being driven crazy. Davis and deHavilland and Cotten's scene early in in the movie is camp but played with verve and moves the drama along.......'YOU'RE A VILE SORRY LITTLE BITCH" re Moorehead, perfect.
Crawford would have been a detriment and was only being forced on Altman because of BABY JANE....as once said about Crawford, you couldnt give her direction like "tell a lie" because she would act it out like Benedict Arnold betraying America....not subtle.
Davis subtle, you bet in this Grand Guignol classic. Her scenes with Cecil Kellaway, the Blanche Dubois ending of her driving off .....and the scenes Mary Astor gave, fantastic
Much better film than Baby Jane, and a shame they released it on Xmas eve to eligiblefor the oscars...and yup it got nominated for 7, and Bette Davis might have won....over Julie Christie in DARLING, Julie Andrews in SOUND OF MUCOUS, Samantha Eggar in Wyler's THE COLLECTOR, Ida Kaminska? in foreign film and i forget who.
this a movie i could watch over and over, and have. BABY JANE, not so much. JANE didnt have deHavilland, Moorehead, Cotten, Astor, Kellaway, et al. There is, pathos genuinly squeezed in an otherwise camp film. Imagine Davis doing VIRGINA WOOLF with Henry Fonda or James Mason as Albee was hoping for...nothing against Liz and Dick here! Hepburn got Stanley Kramer keeping Tracy alive long enough for DINNER, then gets THE LION IN WINTER...no i dont think Bette could have played it...Vivien Leigh sure could have though.....I've read that Stanwyck was actually offered Jewl Mayhew, but then other sources say Velma.....so I side with oh poor joan crawford frightened of bette davis, she was frightened that she couldnt have her way and be treated like a queen. not saying she didnt give several very good performances, or wasnt classy in public, but her personal life is nothing i have an interest in. her screen performances were secondary to a well oiled fan base. Bette Davis is the greatest film actress of all time...followed by Meryl Streep, Vivien Leigh, Simone Signoret, Anna Magnani, Katharine Hepburn, then a whole host we are so lucky to argue over!
As your education regarding film grows, you'll come to appreciate the difference between "overacting" and giving a persona to a character that fits the intent of the writer and director. Of everyone in this film, I thought Moorehead turned in the best work of all. It's really not surprising, as she is one of the most underrated actresses in Hollywood history.
As for Joan Crawford....we'll never know for sure but my guess is that we're all glad it was de Havilland instead.
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I may have miscounted,but I believe there were NINE people at least nominated for oscars,including some winners..I got bette,olivia,cotton,kennedy,kelloway,astor,dern,morehead and buono..did I miss anyone? thats quite a cast..
Moorehead was spot on with her 'bayou trashy woman' portrayal: suspicious as keeping the secret, but very loyal to Charlotte. She earned any nominations she got.
As far as all the 'what if Joan was...'. Joan wasn't. So there is nothing to talk about. Its as if it never happened.
Oh, you're crazy, OP. This role was a testament of how amazingly talented Moorhead was. Who could've imagined Agnes Moorehead being able to play such two distinct characters (Endora on Bewitched, and the low class, boorish character in this movie)? It's like they were played by two completely different actresses; that's how good she was.
I've just seen this film for the first time & I thought her performance was ridiculous. Talk about local am-drams hamming it up; this is it personified. Totally OTT.
Moorehead is superb in this film, and I kinda thought she was channeling Henry Jones in The Bad Seed, another brilliant "over the top" performance by a consummate character actor. She won the Golden Globe and should have won the Oscar as well.