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So In 2021 -- Nuclear Annhilation Isn't a Worry Anymore?


It was a somewhat famous bit of Hollywood history that in 1964, two movies were released that had pretty much the same storyline and ending:

Fail-Safe

Dr. Strangelove: Or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb

Fail-Safe was dead serious; Strangelove was a satiric comedy and STILL serious.

Both films were about the threat of nuclear bombs being aimed at each other by America and Russia --"Mutually Assured Destruction"(MAD) though these films were about the bombs being delivered by planes.

This was in the sixties, when kids were still being given drills at school to "duck and cover" under their desks(in a failed belief that this would be the way to survive the blast) and when, two years before the release of Strangelove and Fail-Safe, America and Russia seemed to have pushed nuclear brinksmanship to the very edge during the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962.

So the threat of nuclear annihilation hung like a monstrous cloud over much of the 60's, nursed along by these two 1964 nightmare scenarios that ended with the bombs being dropped and going off.

The threat of the Bomb continued on, and I'm sure there were some more nuclear-based movies in the 60's and the 70's (The Bedford Incident comes to mind) ...but it seemed like it was in 1983 that "Nuclear Bomb Hysteria" came back with three movies: War Games at movie theaters; "The Day After" on television(with its vision of America crawling out from under the Bomb BEING dropped) and, as I recall "Special Edition"(which posited the biggest new threat of our time: that Middle East terrorists get the Bomb...with no interest in diplomatic negotiation to stop it from being used.)

Still, it is now almost 60 years since Fail-Safe and Dr. Strangelove came out, and we've recently had a whole other dose of worldwide fear via the COVID-19 pandemic.

And I'm just sort of wondering: how come they don't make movies like Fail-Safe and Dr. Strangelove anymore? Did disarmament succeed? Are all the bombs gone?

Its like once the issue of nuclear annhilation stopped being "hot" for movies...it just went away.

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Good point, I can only think of a couple of later (but not exactly recent either) films more or less obliquely dealing with the threat of nuclear extinction: 'The Miracle Mile' (Steve De Jarnatt, 1988), 'Matinee' (Joe Dante, 1993) and 'Watchmen' (Zack Snyder, 2009).

I think maybe one reason why we don't see these kinds of films anymore since their timid resurgence in the 80's, is because everyday life has become somewhat more complicated than it used to be for regular folks, and that concerns even as important as existential threats such as nuclear annihilation have become more abstract and have taken second stage compared to the very concrete and everyday difficulties of say, navigating today's job market in a globalized economy, the difficulties of owning a house, social-media related effects on the structure of society (and mental-health consequences), deep societal divides within several Western liberal democracies, etc.

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Good point, I can only think of a couple of later (but not exactly recent either) films more or less obliquely dealing with the threat of nuclear extinction: 'The Miracle Mile' (Steve De Jarnatt, 1988), 'Matinee' (Joe Dante, 1993) and 'Watchmen' (Zack Snyder, 2009).

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Good nuclear movies all. Matinee is a 1993 period piece about 1962 and the Cuban Missile Crisis; I think Watchmen (the movie) was set in the 70's and the 80's -- its like with those two movies, "the nuclear thing" was still considered "nostalgia." But The Miracle Mile was contemporary to its year of release (1988 , give or take, it took awhile to get out) and suggested we could STILL get annihilated.


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I think maybe one reason why we don't see these kinds of films anymore since their timid resurgence in the 80's, is because everyday life has become somewhat more complicated than it used to be for regular folks, and that concerns even as important as existential threats such as nuclear annihilation have become more abstract and have taken second stage compared to the very concrete and everyday difficulties of say, navigating today's job market in a globalized economy, the difficulties of owning a house, social-media related effects on the structure of society (and mental-health consequences), etc

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Sadly true...survival has become rather a daily struggle on the basic level, the nuclear destruction fantasy is almost welcome ("Poof, we're gone."). Plus in the decades since Fail Safe and Strangelove came out, we've had plane hijackings and 9/11 and mass shootings by psychotics and now a pandemic....nothing on as wide a scale as nuclear destruction but certainly scary enough as a matter of "the odds catching up with you." And while I won't engage the debate here, climate change is being pushed pretty much like nuclear annihilation was back then.

Oh well...don't worry, be happy.

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Also we're constantly immersed in a constant flux of information, which 1) selects information we're more likely to be interested in, and 2) prioritizes (more or less trivial) recurrently occurring facts over potentially more significant facts that *could* occur in the future, and all of this is probably reinforced by availability bias.

Of course both this and my previous post surmise that most films are made about the short term concerns/interests of people... Not sure how true that is.

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Of course both this and my previous post surmise that most films are made about the short term concerns/interests of people... Not sure how true that is.

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Oh, I think that is very true. I'm not sure when the novels that begat Strangelove("Red Alert") and Fail-Safe were written, but we can expect with the Cuban Missile Crisis hit in 1962, the topic of the Bomb became hot again.

I will also guess that the 50's was not a decade in which serious movies in which the Bomb actually goes off...could be made. We had the "radioactive big bug movies" but nothing on the scary scale of Fail Safe or Strangelove. We seemed to need the more "hip and frank 60's" to make such movies. (Update: I forgot about On the Beach from 1959.)

And then...Hollywood moved on. And the real world moved on. The Bomb had always been an "abstract concept" -- suddenly the danger was "ground level" -- assassinations, riots, Vietnam warfare.

And this: I suppose it cannot be forgotten that our top politicians assured us that BECAUSE the US and Russia had bombs aimed at each other...they would never be used. Each side had reached "parity" so it was (as War Games showed us), like a game of tic tac toe that nobody wins. "Stalemate." Officials also went out of their way to say that what happens in Fail Safe and Strangelove "could not happen in real life" (Strangelove has that disclaimer right up front...though makes light fun of it.)

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"the nuclear destruction fantasy is almost welcome ("Poof, we're gone")"
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Again, good point. To wit, the depiction of nuclear holocaust in Watchmen (the only recent film more or less on the subject that I can think of) is unquestionably more "aestheticized" (and maybe romantic?) than the ones seen in, say, Terminator 2 (I'd forgotten about this one...) or the other films we mentioned. This could indicate our stance towards nuclear annihilation has shifted toward something less tangible and more "poetic".

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Yes, Terminator 2 pushed the concept up into the 90s....and as a "contemporary concern." The "poof we're gone" idea is one that I had as a kid when the nuclear threat was mentioned. I couldn't conceive of the Bomb with lingering fallout and long slow death, etc.

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I think I was stimulated to post on this topic because I remember just how MUCH "the Bomb" was the boogeyman of the 60's -- epitomized by those two big movies in the same year -- and now, its not, so much.

I'll note this as well: Whereas Strangelove (via the Doomsday Device) posits a world in which no one escapes nuclear devastation all over the world(except the male officials underground with 10 hot chicks per men to reproduce!) , Fail Safe ends with two cities nuked (Moscow and NYC) and the idea that maybe now the world will move towards disarmament...

I forgot an earlier nuclear movie: "On the Beach" (1959) in which fallout indeed slowly covers all of earth and kills everybody.

And there was a small indie film with Jane Alexander and William Devane called Testament, which looked at nuclear fallout "up close and personal" through the eyes of a family and their neighbors. I looked up the date on that one -- 1983. Again. Perhaps something about Reagan in office?

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And to the list of serious nuclear war films of the '50s you might add: The World the Flesh and the Devil (1959) and Five (1951).
Personally I prefer, and take seriously, Captive Women (1952) which is awkwardly made but it is the first film set in a world hundreds of years after a devastating nuclear war. (A great matte painting of the ruins of New York city from this film got reused in several others). It has interesting ideas – Conflict between tribes of “Norms” and “Mutates” in the ruins of the city and an outside tribe that threatens both.

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Excellent film, 'The World, The Flesh and The Devil'!
As for pre-Cuban missile crisis films about the bomb having (sort of) gone off, there's also 'The Day The Earth Caught Fire' in '62, although it's a British film...

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Well, I am beginning to worry about it again. There seems some likelihood of a renewed cold war with Russia and Putin has leaked info on a few nuclear terror weapons in recent years... Some sort of horrifying nuclear ramjet like our discarded Project Pluto and a drone submarine to deliver underwater nukes along coastlines -- which would yield a staggering amount of fallout plus a nice nuclear tsunami.
I suspect the current more complicated world has led people to assume that any nuclear weapons used would be one-shot terrorist or "rogue-state" affairs like North Korea taking a shot at Seattle. Of course there are still a huge number of weapons in the hands of superpowers that are not on good terms, so the reality is that nuclear war is still a possibility.
I think that contemporary films and TV tend to avoid it in part because there is the sense that it has been played out dramatically. Look at the Fallout games. They set their apocalypse in a retro '50s setting. Nuclear war is so retro...

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Good, chilling points!

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Why are some people being unnecessarily obtuse about this question?

I was alive and well during the tail end of the Cold War. The reason why so many nuclear war movies came out when they did is that up until the early 90s, everyone had lived with this ever-present fear that nuclear war was not only imminent but was going to happen at any moment.

It didn't help much that Ronald Reagan was completely deranged in his stockpiling of nuclear weapons in the name of "MAD" (Mutually Assured Destruction) and that war hawks were pushing this idea that there could be a winnable nuclear war or were babbling "better dead than Red".

Adding to the mix is that nuclear weapons became so much more terrifying as time progressed. Whereas in the earlier phases of the Cold War, people held out the faintest hope that they could survive (like in a bomb shelter), by the 1980s, weapons were so deadly that the question wasn't whether you could survive a nuclear war or not but whether or not you'd want to.

Because of this feeling of urgency, tons of filmmakers put out a spate of films to stop what felt unstoppable at the time, as in, "OMG, we need to scare the living bejeesus out of everyone and counteract these lunatics arguing that nuclear war is inevitable or winnable or preferable to being Communist." Then the Berlin Wall fell, and the threat of full-scale nuclear war eventually faded by the mid-90s.

That's what happened. No mystery. The threat of full-scale global annihilation faded after the Berlin War fell, so there's no reason to keep making movies about it.

On top of that, I think that people have come to see stuff like The Day After and Threads as the definitive nuclear war movies, anyway. You can't really do a better job than those films did in capturing the horrors of nuclear war, and any attempt would be seen as paling in comparison.

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(aka ecarle, OP.)

Summer, 2023: Oppenheimer is released. Not a "Dr. Strangelove/Fail Safe" type story but again bringing the question of the very existence of the nuclear bomb front and center.

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This comment hasn't aged well.

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If you believe what is put out by the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, we are closer to doom’s day than ever.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_Clock#/media/File%3ADoomsday_Clock_graph.svg

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