So I purchased La Notte on amazon.com before I ever watched it. I saw that it was very well spoken about by critics on The Documentary film Z Channel (which I recommend to anyone, especially if you're into older films) so it interested me and I bought it.
It took me the second time I saw it to really appreciate it. It was slow moving and wasn't packed with excitement but It was a great film.
Im planning on buying more films by the director of La Notte so to get to the point. Which one of the three (La Notte, L' Elisse, L' Avventura)is better?
By the way, if there is a movie that he has done that is not on the three I pointed out let me know also. But if you seen the three I mentioned let me know which one you preferred.
My favorite, of the three, would have to go to L'avventura... One of my favorite Antonioni films though is Il Grido, I really have no idea why it doesn't receive any attention but it is an excellent film.
Of the three, L´Avventura feels most naturally powerful. L´Eclisse´s overall more refined, but the first half´s kinda meandering and maybe a little more focus would have been in order. La Notte is quite like L´Eclisse for 2/3 of the way, but the endlessly chatty and haltingly ponderous final third drops it securely below the other two. L´Avventura 9,5/10, L´Eclisse 8,5/10, La Notte 7/10.
I'd say they're pretty much all masterpieces, in this order:
1/ L'eclisse 2/ Red Desert 3/ L'Avventura 4/ Zabriskie Point 5/ The Passenger 6/ Blow-Up 7/ Il Grido 8/ La Notte 9/ L'Amiche 10/Identification of a Woman 11/ Lady Without the Camelias 12/ The Gaze of Michelangelo 13/ Chung Kuo Cina 14/ Beyond the Clouds 15/ i Vinti 16/ Story of a Love Affair
The only real misfires are The Mystery of Oberward + his segment of Eros, although both are still worth watching.
L'Eclisse is the greatest of Antonioni's "Alienation Trilogy". It's at once his boldest of the three and his most assured: the one I felt reached the standard he tried to set with the previous two. Here's a good essay by Jonathan Rosenbaum, in case anyone is interested: http://www.criterion.com/current/posts/359-a-vigilance-of-desire-anton ioni-s-l-eclisse
That said, it's not the best of his career.
My ranking/ratings of the Antonioni films that I've seen are as follows:
Red Desert - 10/10 Blow-Up - 9.5/10 The Passenger - 9.5/10 L'Eclisse - 9/10 La Notte - 8/10 Il Grido - 7.5/10 L'Avventura - 6/10 Zabriskie Point - 4.5/10
While these films were done in sequence, and all feature Monica Vitti, it should be understood they are not a trilogy in the sense of sharing any kind of story lines. Although all can be generally said to explore issues and questions of existential anxiety, they do so in respect of distinct situations.
Having said that, I tend to agree that I would not recommend seeing L'Eclisse first. Start with L'Avventura, then La Notte.
And having said that, L'Eclisse is my favorite, certainly of the three. I think it should be seen as such for the way it uses a near realistic (but not completely) style to explore the way in which people feel a particularly modern form of anxiety, while not divorced from the pleasures of human experience. Also noteworthy is how the narrative structure is so unconventional, but in this case as a way not merely to be clever, as some might unfairly feel, as to accomplish two important things. The first is the narrative proceeds in a way that contains digressions, with the point being that in fact this sort of thing is part of life. "Stories" do not proceed in real life in direct uninterrupted linear fashion. We experience life on one level as the clock ticks, but the way we "experience" life in terms of learning from it, the things and experiences that give meaning to us, are experienced often in a non-linear way.
The second is related to the first, and that is that even our search for meaning does not always, even usually, arrive at a set and easy conclusion. In fact sometimes the absence of any definite conclusion in itself tells us "something" about life and meaning. Perhaps we have merely asked the "wrong" questions.
The ending is part of this unique and particular narrative, and works not to provide a simple answer, meaning conclusion, to the film that precedes it, instead serving to place the story in a context which makes Antonioni's point.
Masterpiece is an overused word, perhaps, but this film deserves to be considered as one.
Thank you kenny, I will folow your advice and save L'Eclisse until third. I had been disappointed not to see it in time for this its 50th anniversary. Incidentally, with 22 critics' votes and 11 from directors in the Sight & Sound poll, this is the most acclaimed film of 1962.
Top Ten of 1962: 1. Eclisse 2. Jetee 3. Lawrence of Arabia 4. Vivre sa Vie 5. Jules & Jim 6. Man Who Shot Liberty Valance 7. Exterminating Angel 8. Cleo from 5 to 7 9. House Is Black 10.Ivan's Childhood
and with 2013 just around the corner, here's
Top Ten of 1963 1. Eight & a Half 2. Mepris 3. Leopard 4. Dr Strangelove 5. Birds 6. High & Low 7. Executioner 8. Muriel 9. Silence 10.Flaming Creatures 10.Mothlight
When total votes were equal, I've given precedence to Directors' votes. Flaming Creatures and Mothlight were still inseperable.
They're all great works of art , and masterpieces in their own way .
This is how I would rank them:
1. La notte 10/10 2. L'avventura 10/10 3. L'eclisse 9,5/10 ... ... + Red Desert 9/10
L'eclisse is the only one that I didn't instantly fall in love with, but it's really grown on me and it's the most thought-provoking film of the trilogy (that ending!!) . And I'm pretty strict with my 9's and 10's.
Outside of the trilogy, The Passenger is also worthy of a 10.
Previously I only saw Antonioni's "Zabriskie Point" and loved it, decided to check some of his early work, saw this, and well...didn't enjoy it. Felt flat as a board and boring as hell, and now I find out it's part of a trilogy. Are the other two movies any good and worth watching?
I have seen this inquiry of yours before, and have not been sure how to answer it. I suspect this film might not be for you, but then you did say you enjoyed Zabriskie Point, so you must feel there is something about the director that might appeal to you beyond htat film.
Unfortunately one can make the argument that Point is in fact a rather different sort of film. It is obviously a different film in the surface sense - in color and English. Perhaps these things are working against L'Eclisse for you?
As to your questions concerning L'Avventura and La Notte, yes, imo not only are they "any good and worth watching", but are both great films. If one can I would recommend seeing them in order, although as I noted in my previous entry on this thread, they are not really a trilogy in the sense of having a common narrative thread. Thematically they share an examination of existential anxiety, generally in the context of relationships between couples.
But I sense you will not have the attention span for them, either. Good luck.
Hey, appreciate the answer, but what's with the attention span mock? I watch a lot of different movies, black and white and in a foreign language isn't anything new to me. Some of my all time favorites are: Pickpocket, Nights of Cabiria, Rififi and Diabolique, hell English is not even my native tongue.
If a movie doesn't have an interesting subject, great atmosphere, memorable characters, any stakes or conflict, it's really hard to get into. I mean I loved 2001: A Space Odyssey, but many didn't just because of their low attention span.
I don't think he meant in a negative way. His italian films , particularly his trilogy, are very different from Zabriskie Point , with different thematic sensibilities and concerns. I recommend watching L'Avventura and maybe listen to the Gene Youngblood's commentary afterwards, or do some reading on it. His films can be challenging initally but they're very rewarding , if you 'get' them. La Notte is great , too, and maybe the most 'conventional' of the trilogy. The order doesn't matter that much. Save Red Desert for last.
''You must have chaos within you to give birth to a dancing star''
It is of course considered a put down to tell someone you don't think a film you like is for them, but unfortunately in some cases that is a true observation.
I happen to think L'Eclisse is one of the greatest films of all time, but at the same time I KNOW it is far from likely to be viewed that way by everyone.