To clarify further, I suggest that movie "taste" is acquired through wide and varied "experience" of many (unlimited) movies.
So, when I say that it is valid to observe that some people call TKAM their favourite film because their experience with movies is limited, I am in fact saying that their limited "taste, experience, and education", vis a vis movies, could account for their very high regard for the film. I did not say that this is always the case, nor did ebright.
To be honest, your post didn't clarify anything, nor did your original post require any clarification. The central message of your post was, and is, still that you make all kinds of assumptions about the people who rated this film, and who you apparently think gave it too high a vote.
If your assumption is: viewing experience may be (partially) responsible for what grade users give to a film, then, yes, obviously that is the case, partially being the operative word here, and besides, that goes for *every* film on IMDb. Just because TKAM is a film that has, in your opinion, too high a grade, you assume that this is more so the case for TKAM than for any other given film, for which you have no proof whatsoever. Basicly, your point boils down to: I think this film was not as good as the average IMDb public:
1) SO they are wrong, and
2) SO that is to blame on their limited viewing experience.
Another thing; I said:
To call something a cliché is highly influenced by a hindsight-point of view.
To which you replied:
Well of course it is. That's how things become cliches.
This is my whole point about your 'Cliché' statement: something can not BECOME a cliché. A film either IS a cliché when it comes out, or it isn't, but it can not become a cliché after the fact, just because other similar films came out later. As others have pointed out TKAM was based on a book. If by cliché you mean that it was cheaply based on other earlier films, than 1) I challenge to name 5 similar earlier ones, and 2) you are clearly wrong because it was based on a book.
I wrote: In the Netherlands we have a saying (or maybe it's just me): "IF my aunt would have balls, THEN she would be my uncle."
To which you replied:
Yeah, we have that one, too. Every country does, I'd say.
You're not responding to my point. My point was that your statement that TKAM would be a mediocre film if it wasn't for the racial angle, is totally moot because the racial angle is an essential and integral part of the film. As of yet you have not provided any credible support why your statement makes any sense at all. Like I said it would be the same as calling the Godfather an average crime film if it weren't for the 'maffia' angle, but you don't seem to get my point about how that makes your whole statement moot, or you don't feel the need to react on it.
Furthermore in your reaction, and some of your other posts in this thread, you seem to respond to parts of my - and other people's post with claims about how many 50's films you watched, and how you are 66 years of age, without responding to the subject of someone's post, which I think is extremely weak and pointless. If you have no sensible subject matter to respond to other people's opinions, don't hide behind how old you are and how many movies you have seen, and at the same time make assumptions about how "young and experienced" other people are who don't agree with you.
Finally, a lot of your, and other people's posts, seem to hinge on the "conspiracy theory" that TKAM was launched into the Top250 by 60's and 70's indoctrination telling teens how great a film this is. Again, part of what you say may be factually true, but your theory about how TKAM's rank on the Top250 hinges on this fact is largely speculation. First of all, the majority of people who voted on TKAM are NOT people from the US who were raised in the 60's and 70's. If you click to see the statistics, you'll see that about 50% are non-US voters, and the biggest group of voters are people aged 18-29, followed by the group aged 30-44. It is true that the group above 45 rate this film the highest (although the difference with other groups is relatively small) but 45+ people make up less than 10% of the voting population for TKAM.
All in all, my point remains the same: you are largely speculating about why other people rate the film higher than you. To state that TKAM is high in the Top250 because people have less film viewing experience than you or because people are "indoctrinated" by an education system, are highly speculative assumptions that strongly imply that you are trying to say that somehow your opinion is worth more.
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