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And the moral of the story (film) is ...


What what you say is the moral/message of the movie?

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I can think of no better way of putting it than in Nabokov's own preface to the novel, with the main message highlighted in bold:

As a case history, "Lolita" will become, no doubt, a classic in
psychiatric circles. As a work of art, it transcends its expiatory aspects;
and still more important to us than scientific significance and literary
worth, is the ethical impact the book should have on the serious reader; for
in this poignant personal study there lurks a general lesson; the wayward
child, the egotistic mother, the panting maniac--these are not only vivid
characters in a unique story: they warn us of dangerous trends; they point
out potent evils. "Lolita" should make all of us--parents, social workers,
educators--apply ourselves with still greater vigilance and vision to the
task of bringing up a better generation in a safer world.
John Ray, Jr., Ph.D.
Widworth, Mass
* PART ONE *
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John Ray is Nabokov's pseudonym for the purpose of supplying a preface to the book.

"Lolita" is probably the saddest book I have ever read.

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"Lolita" should make all of us--parents, social workers,
educators--apply ourselves with still greater vigilance and vision to the
task of bringing up a better generation in a safer world.

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very true and a good idea AT THE TIME

trouble is come 1970 we had the small f feminist takeover of the whole deal, especially the "educators" meaning that by 1997 when Lolita surfaced again americans had become so brainwashed BY the feminists [or Carefully Taught as in South Pacific 1959 on "American Beauty"] that all Humberts [those who missed their wild oats] were labelled as pedophiles leaving the REAL pedophiles total freedom to bugger little kiddies.

hence that 1997 Lolita was not allowed BY J Doe to be shown in theaters so it flopped, even though they made Lolita look 18, which is why Ball/Mendes satirized the whole American Beauty via Angela [Hayes] in the movie of the same name.

or to paraphrase Kubrick - yeah they fixed it alright

and so we have sorry situation of "the demise of guys" as per banana slug "educator" below, with the whole male population high on meds and porn.

come back Lolita, we love you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMJgZ4s2E3w

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Sad, and beautiful. Also, romantic.

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romance has nothing to do with it

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Once upon a time, many, many years ago when people lived to an average age of 50, it would be romantic. Women needed to have children quickly. That's why I can't get on the hate-Islam-for-raping-young-girls bandwagon. Life is still as rough and harsh in that area as it was for people in the 1800s, marrying their daughters off at 13. Sure, you can have your modern, personal bias but its not realistic for that kind of environment and culture.

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Err, they’re raping girls here - in the West.

Islamophilia is a terrible disease.

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lol!

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Nabokov shows his playful side wickedly in the intentionally absurd and spurious "prologue" to his novel. "John Ray Jr., Ph.D" is meant to be a caricature of the self-absorbed, smug, academic psychotherapist, just as is Quilty's impersonation of "Dr. Zempf" in the Kubrick film. Note the word play with the name: John Ray Jr. = J.R. Jr. As a critic of Freud and psychoanalysis, Nabokov viewed psychology as a dangerously facile explanation for complex human behavior. In the novel, Humbert Humbert has episodes in sanitariums where he toys with the woefully undereducated doctors. The idea that "Lolita" will spur professionals to create a "a better generation in a safer world" lampoons the science which Nabokov soundly rejected.

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rubbish, this is how people spoke to the public in early 1960s, specially in such controversial matters.

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But the movie didn't really have the same feel as the book.

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In matters of love and life
Think with the higher head
For if you give in to it
The lower one can make you dead

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Middle age men should think with their big head's and not their lower instinct little head in their pants....Fantasies should remain Fantasies especially if it carries a jail sentence if acted upon....when caught......

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And suffering consequences for victims which may require long time to treat too. Its a matter that is bad not just because it is illegal - although it is that too.

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I recently saw the film on TV. I wish I had recorded it as I would like to see it again having missed a few scenes which might have provide me a different or perhaps deeper perspective. I thought the main theme presented the damage and destruction resulting of a self centered obsession for an object of desire. Moral...selfish obsession bad...presented in a tragic/comic viewpoint.

Humbert, an English, highly educated and civilized professor was unable to restrain his more base (LO-w? litta)desire. There was no real deep common and more meaningful connection they could share and his need to possess her was selfish and rooted in her young physical beauty. It destroyed him, her mother and Quilty (who were perhaps consumed by their own obsessions) as well as damaging Lolitta and perhaps other characters as well like the driver who struck Shelly Winters character.

Perhaps it is civilized society's established norms which made Humberts desire forbidden and taboo. But I never saw anything to establish a real bond between them which could have overcome the natural objection to their ever sharing a mutual love. Near the end Lolita seems more wise and mature (and compassionate)than Humbert who breaks down crying before committing murder.

I felt perhaps Lolita did not appear as young as she was supposed to be. I understand that the filmmakers had to deal with censors who would have objected to a truly young looking girl.

Of course others may have a different take.

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Spot on. That sums it up beautifully.

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But according to modern logic, that means Claire and Humbert robbed Lolita of her childhood and innocence, which is why they call it rape today. They don't realize that girls in certain cultures and environments have to or had to grow up faster in order to survive and maybe one day have children of their own. Today, 40 is the new 20. That should put modern BS into perspective. Today, I don't know if anyone is emotionally and mentally mature enough to be great parents... at any age.

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females will always enslave males

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I highly doubt that is the case in your family, Yusef.

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we are all slaves for the last one million years, join masculinism, join the resistance.

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Not sure if it is a moral, but the one character with the highest IQ gets outsmarted by everyone though he thinks he is outsmarting everyone. Even his wife, who we are led to believe is a bumbling, needy idiot, discovers his diary and probably could have ruined his career if she didn't die.

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Not every movie has to have some uplifting "message" or "moral."

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The OP simply asked what the moral/message of the movie was; s/he didn't imply anything about a movie with a moral/message being uplifting. "Apocalypse Now" and "Runaway Train" both have a moral/message, but they're hardly uplifting, although I suppose they could be described as artistically uplifting.

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