MovieChat Forums > Lawrence of Arabia (2013) Discussion > Why was Omar Sharif's face in shock?

Why was Omar Sharif's face in shock?


Lawrence had been tortured for some time by the Turks as Ali waited outside, judging by the onset of nighttime.

Ali was accustomed by now to the idea of his friend being flogged. But suddenly, Turkish shouts are heard from the building and dramatic music starts and Ali's face turns to horror.

So, as the real Lawrence himself later denied he was ever raped, what was this sudden act in the film (bearing in mind Offendi's weird pervy expression at Lawrence's flesh)?

reply

Because they were banging Larry up the jacksie.

reply

I thought that, yet Lawrence himself and biographers etc have scoffed at this?

yet the Turks have a certain rep? Lol

reply

Well, just because it didn't happen in real life doesn't mean it didn't happen in the film. I'm pretty sure that's the implication behind the scene you mention.

reply

The whole purpose of rounding up those guys was to give the commander a choice who to have sex with. There is no other explanation.

You can argue with the film depiction but Lawrence was selected simply for that. So the Bey played by Jose Ferrer could rape him. Disgusting isn't it?

Ferrer's character was attracted to fair skinned men.

There is no other reason. Ferrer's character does ponder the possibility that this blonde guy in Arab garb might be the great Aurens but dismisses the idea as too spectacularly lucky. Lawrence did answer in the affirmative when asked if he was Circassian and his Arabic was excellent by then. So what military value did he have?

reply

It is suggested when Sharif's character hears shouts in Turkish, which must have meant what the Turks do best (*wink*)

reply

Turkish delight?

reply

Even though the real Lawrence was surprisingly frank about homosexuality for his time, I mean on the page 2 or3 of "The Seven Pillars of Wisdom" he talks about his Bedouin fighters getting it on with each other when there no women around... I doubt he would ever have admitted that he was raped, not in the 1920s or 1930s. Even today men who've been raped by other men feel stigmatized and find it incredibly difficult to open up about their experiences, and this incident was over 100 years ago, a far less understanding or accepting time.

So if the Turks really did rape male prisoners as a matter of course, the Lawrence was probably raped and Sharif would have known that. He may have thought that Lawrence would have found a way to get out of it or that the Turks would hesitate to treat an Englishman that way, but if he heard them yelling about what fun they were having... well.

reply

Lawrence can't have NOT known of the terrible fate of British and Indian troops not that far from him at the time.

In 1916, Turks captured the British-Indian army at Kut and marched the 12,000 PoW's thousands of miles to their imprisonment, in awful conditions.

I read 'The Psychology of Military Incompetence'. The long march there was arguably worse - stragglers died or were murdered, even possibly raped and beaten if they fell out of line of march.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Kut

From the book above-

"After 147 days, Townshend’s food supplies, which he had originally stated would only last
a month, ran out. Confident from his exchange with the Turkish commander
that he would be treated generously, he capitulated on April 19th, 1916, and
handed his weak and starving men over to the not so tender mercy of the
Turks. Then it was their paths diverged. While he was transported in the
greatest comfort to Baghdad and thence to Constantinople, his 13,000 men
began their 1,200-mile march across the arid wastes and freezing heights of
Asia Minor. And while he was wined and dined, honoured and entertained
as the personal guest of the Turkish commander-in-chief, his men died in
their thousands of starvation, dysentery, cholera and typhus, and from the
whips of their bad-tempered Kurdistan guards. They died of the heat by day
and of the cold by night. They died because they wearied of staying alive –
dropping out of the column, to be set upon by marauding Arabs who,
having robbed them, filled their mouths with sand and stones. In all,
seventy per cent of the British and fifty per cent of the Indian troops
perished in captivity."

reply

remember the phrase

" our prisoners are treated (by the turks) harshly"

"how harshly?"

"more harshly than i hope you can imagine"

the film also hints at this when the second kid is about to die "if they take him, you know what they will do to him" (what they're gonna do to him isn't mentioned)

I think Ali's expression is linked with that

reply